@leoschuldiner23 @fesshole At a small ranch rodeo once, I saw a demonstration of cattle dogs, which like sheepdogs will herd and separate animals both on their own and as commanded by whistles and hand signs. I asked one of the trainers, a middle-aged woman, how in the hell they train them so well. "Pressure and release," she answered. "Dogs, horses, kids, husbands. Doesn't matter. It's all just pressure and release."