zivi

For the first time it is now possible for parents and guardians to monitor screen time and set limits for child accounts, including bedtime schedules.

ok. go fuck yourself. go to hell you abuse enabling pieces of shit who pushed for this

the foundations for web filtering support has also been added — a backend service that can enforce content filters for child accounts once the user interface is completed in future updates

you fucking wannabe authoritarian censorship tech manufacturers do not belong in FOSS. begone

okay, already pretty maddening, what else is up

this important work to make GNOME more accessible to young people

you’re using “accessibility” as an excuse for this oppression tooling? that’s fucking spicy wow. “we’re enabling parental abuse for accessibility!!!” wow go fuck yourself. i repeat, go burn in hell. idiots like this are why the idea of hell was concieved

fuck it, apologists - come at me and get blocked: #GNOME

Mar 18 at 5:14pmWeb
Show threadziviMar 18
bragging about explicitly enabling oppression/abuse as a win for “accessibility” is braindead to an extreme. ive already updated to gnome 50, but i’ll be strongly considering my alternatives now
Show threadCyborusMar 18
@[email protected] "we're making it more accessible by taking away their ability to access things" . what
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemMar 18
@Cyborus @zaire this is more common than you think ...
Show threadCyborusMar 18
@[email protected] control is just... not a good way to raise a kid? trying to control them only teaches them to be distrustful of you and finds ways to circumvent it. (well, there are times in life that's a good skill to have, but they shouldn't feel like they have to around their own parent(s), people they really should be able to trust)

it's better to guide and teach. explain reasons for things! if they're old enough to use a computer on their own, they're old enough to discuss the dangers of doing so. it's irresponsible not to. if you don't want them to get addicted to the computer, you'd be amazed what giving them other things to do will do to combat that.
Show threadKirbyMar 18
@zaire not all of us have dealt with savory souls as parents but i'm not sure lashing out at the void for what is seemingly a well intentioned feature is the right answer here

>fuck it, apologists - come at me and get blocked: #GNOME

nor is introducing a toxic waste sinkhole the right answer either..
Show threadziviMar 18
@kirby congratulations, you’ll be first in this new batch of blocks
Show threadKirbyMar 18
@zaire you eat and breathe social media norms don't you
Show threadIván Strider MarkovMar 18
@[email protected] @[email protected]

conflating basic parenting with fascism is the most fedi thing ever
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemMar 18
@ivan @kirby @zaire abuse and mistreatment being normalized to the point it gets called "basic parenting" doesnt make it not abuse or mistreatment, nor does everything need to be "fascism" to be a problem..??
Show threadKirbyMar 18
@Li @ivan @zaire what part of this feature screams "abuse and mistreatment"
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemMar 18

@kirby @zaire @ivan the part where its tracking your activity and restricting your access to things; and reporting it to someone who considers themselves to own you ??

the fact that if you did this to anyone else it would be called out for what it is?

Show threadKirbyMar 18
@Li @zaire @ivan >someone who considers themselves to own you

because legally that is what caretakers are considered, people that care for a child

>the fact that if you did this to anyone else it would be called out for what it is?

that's a different thing entirely. reframing the feature like this is not in good form and you know it isn't
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemMar 18

@kirby @zaire @ivan its not a "different thing entirely" its the same thing, just applied to someone im supposed to consider an "acceptable target" because theyve been un-personed by soceity and the world at large ... its not "reframing the feature" its "this doenst magically stop being abusive because its done to children" actually ..

also insisting that caretakers legally own their children is not doing you any favours here, being "owned" by someone is the abusive thing, the fact its "legal" doesnt change that i dont give a flying fuck what the law says, law is itself an oppressive force; fuck laws,

Show threadKirbyMar 18
@Li @zaire @ivan the fact you seemed to be appalled to the concept of a caretaker in general speaks a lot to your character. our philosophies are fundamentally incompatible, good day
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemMar 18
@kirby @zaire @ivan i wouldnt mind if caretakers were actually caretakers and not just "i get to decide everything for you and disregard your rights and override your autonomy at every turn" which is what they actually are .. yes, i wouldnt mind non-oppressive caretakers but someone who actively oppresses me labeled "caretaker" can go fuck off actually ive had enough of that in my life
Show threadIván Strider MarkovMar 18
@Li @[email protected] @[email protected]

bedtime isnt abuse, regulating what content your child consumes as a parent isnt abuse, and unrestricted computer access to a 6 year old is neglect. im not going to argue this because it should be common sense lol
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemMar 18

@ivan @kirby @zaire both those examples violate autonomy, so yes it is, no amount of wrapping it up in "im hurting you to protect you" makes it not

-- the fact that it has to be forced upon them shows it to be .. the fact the response is typically try get around this bullshit highlights it,

we dont get around and evade helpful shit.

Show threadIván Strider MarkovMar 18
@Li @[email protected] @[email protected]

you just argued for parental controls yourself lol
Show thread2somethingMar 18
@ivan @[email protected] @[email protected] Conflating stalkerware with "basic parenting" is fucking messed up.
Show threadIván Strider MarkovMar 18
@2something @[email protected] @[email protected]

conflating parental controls with stalkerware is fucking messed up
Show threadLocked Librarian :labrys-45-sickle:  Mar 18
@zaire we've had our disagreements but I have to give you your flowers for this one. fuck them parents!
Show threadselene kendallMar 18

@[email protected] yeah,,,,

i've always just laughed at the "parental controls" thing in gnome
if your kid is smart enough to be using linux instead of an ipad or windows or whatever, they're probably smart enough to either find a bypass or just reinstall the computer?

"okay pookie here's your fresh gnu/linux desktop, mommy set your bedtime to 9pm and blocked super tux kart after 6"this won't happen for 99% of young people using gnome, since they set up their OS themselves, have root, and can set their age to any number they want

the sheer uselessness of this anti-feature for most of users doesn't excuse the shitty ageist intentions behind it. and sadly, just from how many users gnome has, some creature out there is probably going to be oppressed with this

gnome devs should know better ​​

Show threadJuno Mar 18
My dad wouldn't touch Linux as a desktop OS with a 39.5 ft pole, and for a while, he tried preventing me from doing such a thing myself under the excuse of, you guessed it, lack of parental controls (at least that's one of his excuses; he makes his intents way too obvious). I still did it anyways.

CC: @[email protected]
Show threadziviMar 18
@sel gnome devs seem to want to bring us all back to the microslop-esque dynamic of one’s operating system being their adversary
Show threadziviMar 18
@sel and suffice it to say they’re being successful; i’m now hesitant to update my system at all, just like i would be with windows. i cannot trust gnome (nor linux or systemd for that matter) to be maintained in all good faith anymore
Show threadziviMar 18
@sel downgrading to gnome 49 now. will be sticking with that for the forseeable while. if the project’s current take is “the oppressive antifeatures are acessibility actually”, i do not feel comfortable using the latest versions. i do not feel comfortable using it at all, but there doesn’t appear to be an easy alternative
Show threadmao tse tung tung sahurMar 18
@zaire @sel so you think GNOME and its developers are fascist enablers for *checks notes* making it marginally easier to prevent a child from having unrestricted internet access, but you also don't think it's important enough to avoid fashware to switch to one of several DEs with similar UX immediately?
Show threadziviMar 19
@ochotona_princeps @sel each day brings me closer to placing a mute on all of xenofem, but for now, apologist block number fourrrr coming up~
Show threadmao tse tung tung sahurMar 19
@zaire @sel wtf, if you're on fedi then i can only assume that you understand the trappings of mainstream web platforms right? is it not negligence to expose a child to that sort of thing? is avoiding that kind of negligence seriously less important to you than being a freewheeler because it feels right? i don't even think parental controls are anywhere near the best way to address this, i'm just asking as somebody who's had unrestricted internet access for as long as i've had a working long term memory...
Show threadKanary 🖤Mar 18
@[email protected] I dont know what to use on my computer anymore
everything is becoming either immoral or slopware and in more than rare cases both
Show threadziviMar 18
@kanary same here tbhs
Show threadMiles  Mar 18
@zaire ​​
Show threadNix Inch NailsMar 18
@zaire Go outside and touch grass, please.
Show threadziviMar 18
@zoeyTheWitch block number 3, coming up
Show threadWillow :bhjflag_bisexual::anarchy_punk_demiboy:Mar 18
@zoeyTheWitch @[email protected] What kind of an argument even is that. If you're so emotionally attached to a shitty desktop that you need to use 13-year-old-level "roast" against anyone criticizing it then I dunno, but it looks like you're the one who could use some grass-touching, hombre
Show threadGeopJrMar 18
@witix @zoeyTheWitch as opposed to "i repeat, go burn in hell. idiots like this are why the idea of hell was concieved" which is a very normal thing to say /s
Show threadNix Inch NailsMar 18

@witix @[email protected] Do you think disputing "Parental controls are authoritarian and GNOME developers are literally Hitler" is worth my time

Sounds like someone needs to the see the sun more and spend less time spreading hate :)

Show threadWillow :bhjflag_bisexual::anarchy_punk_demiboy:Mar 18
@zoeyTheWitch well if it's not worth your time then what are you doing here
literally do anything else
Show threadNix Inch NailsMar 18

@witix It is very amusing to see the mental gymnastics people will go through to hate GNOME and coat it in psuedo-progressive language.

Again, this is over parental controls, which are completely optional to set up and not forced onto anyone. However, it doesn't seem like that will get through to you or the original poster, so I don't think I have anything else to say now :)

Show threadRobotMar 20

@zoeyTheWitch @witix i was gonna stay out of this one, but what do you think "parental controls" are? like it sounds so creepy to say they aren't forced onto anyone
(implying that the (idealized) child isn't a person)

i say "idealized" because many software packages targeted towards the "parental controls" use case are also often used by abusive partners and stalkers whether or not they are marketed as such.

(noting that the currently added "features" don't have total overlap with such software)

Whether or not you think these "parental control" features are moral, its pretty weird to say that they are "completely optional to set up and not forced onto anyone" when they clearly are able to be applied to another user's account with or without that users's consent, and that user is a person, a someone.

Show thread2somethingMar 18
@[email protected] I'd like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as "parental control software" is actually Stalkerware, or, as I've recently taken to calling it, Stalkerware+Censorship+Child Abuse.
Show thread2somethingMar 18
@[email protected] Hi, I am introducing a feature to make GNOME more accessible to people who need dark mode. The state will assign you a person who gets to decide if you are allowed to use dark mode or not. If they say no then you have to use light mode. This makes GNOME more accessible.
Show threadWillow :bhjflag_bisexual::anarchy_punk_demiboy:Mar 18
@[email protected] it's funny in a "dark comedy" way that when a shitty legislature passes with a thin-veiled excuse, the correct thing to do is to just do the bare-minimum needed to comply or do malicious compliance if you're feeling bold (see: Ageless Linux but you've probably heard of it already), but there'll always be shitlibs like this who do not just comply but also add 50 other things in the legislature's shitty direction
Show threadziviMar 18
@witix yuup
Show threadziviMar 18
@witix they’ll rush to obey the fascists way in advance bc that’s what shitlibs do i guess
Show threadziviMar 18
@witix small correction, the correct thing to do is to not comply until (unless) you’re being pressed to. be as slow as you can be, even then. not obeying in advance means that if there’s even the slightest chance you can get away with disobeying, you disobey. make them have to get off their asses and enforce it if they really wanna; don’t enforce it upon yourself or miku forbid your peers on their behalf
Show threadWillow :bhjflag_bisexual::anarchy_punk_demiboy:Mar 18
@[email protected] that's kinda what I meant by the word "bare minimum" but yea ​​
Show threadCyborusMar 18
@[email protected] @witix stealing the phrase "miku forbid"
Show threadziviMar 18
@Cyborus @witix miku can be used freely in place of “god” in such expressions
Show threadCyborusMar 18
@[email protected] @witix
"oh for the love of Miku"
"oh my Miku"
"I believe in Miku"
"And Miku said, 'Let there be light'."

it works!!
Show threadCyborusMar 18
@witix @[email protected] "goodbye" comes from "god be with ye". does that mean it should be "mikubye" now

yes

yes it does

miku be with ye
Show threadWillow :bhjflag_bisexual::anarchy_punk_demiboy:Mar 18
@[email protected] @Cyborus I prefer using stars because like god it is a thing of great power but unlike god it is something that actually exists but you do you ​​
Show threadCyborusMar 18
@witix @[email protected] are you suggesting miku is not a thing of great power? /j
Show threadliaMar 18

@zaire It's impressive how much the inexplicable "ick" vibe that Gnome gives off keeps being right.

I hope KDE is going to stay usable and doesn't comply with the pro-child-abuse legislators in advance, unlike Gnome.

Show threadziviMar 19
@lianna (i wish i would get Plasma but i just dont. the default windowsy workflow works fine but if you start enabling things like panel autohide or making the panel smaller or using icons with labels on the panel, all things id like to do if possible, it starts to become incohesive) yeah
Show threadDenis RangelovMar 19
@zaire I wish my parents "abused" me in a way that would prevent me from accessing toxic wikis‚ troll imageboards and gory content when I was a kid so that it wouldn't affect my mental health. Unfortunately they weren't aware of the danger internet poses to vulnerable. But I now know‚ from my own experience. Parental controls is a way for parents to prevent kids to stumble across green site and manosphere scums. If you don't manage it for them‚ the algorithm will. And it's not in the best interest of algorithm to show what's best for who's using it. And even if there wasn't integrated parental controls feature‚ people would still be interested in it. They would just get them from paid proprietary apps‚ just like antiviruses in Windows. Which would be much much much worse.
Show threadziviMar 19

@rangelovd i wish your parents guided you through growing up with understanding and empathy and not stalkerware, and i wish society hadn’t implanted upon you the idea parents affording their children zero privacy and autonomy is okay

the “they’d just use paid proprietary apps instead” argument really gives off the “the torment nexus is inevitable!1!!” vibes. no it’s not. you can just refuse to be complicit in fascist-adjacent bullshittery, it’s allowed

Show threadDenis RangelovMar 19
@zaire Then I'd like to listen for your advice. I have a smaller brother‚ in elementary school. Parents barely control what he does. If I look at the search history‚ some of it is horror not suited for his age. Later‚ he has nightmares‚ yet he continues to watch it. I have installed an extension on his phone for firefox that disables suggested videos‚ but he watches from parents devices anyway. We also have noticed him accessing the sites he shouldn't access in his age(possibly through ads or older kids). Now‚ what should I do as a responsible relative? I was asked by mom to install parental controls and I'm going to do it. And I would do the same for my kids because I take this shit even more seriously then my parents‚ because‚ oftentimes‚ the most dangerous things happen in not the most obvious places. My parents don't know what imageboards are(good for them) and I know they are much more destructive then scary youtube videos
Show threadziviMar 19
@rangelovd you should talk to the kid. have you tried talking to him, like to a fellow person who deserves privacy and autonomy, about whatever’s going on?
Show threadDenis RangelovMar 19
@zaire yeah‚ I did actually. He only trusts me‚ he doesn't trust his parents and watch stuff sneakily with sound low to not get screamed at. I spoke to him of course‚ saying‚ you shouldn't watch it‚ it's not good for you‚ and when I come for a visit I always offer alternatives - table games‚ playing computer together‚ watching full cartoons or tv series cartoons (like steven universe...). But when I go home this shit just repeats‚ I can't caretake someone else kid and even if it was mine kid I wouldn't be able to be with them 100% of the time. When you tell a kid something is wrong to them‚ they will act defensively‚ saying "no it's not"‚ making a pouty face‚ saying they will do it anyway. At that point all you can do is sigh.