supersquirrelThe Palestinian Genocide IS NOT US Politics OK!!!
Insanity of saying the US fueled, funded, and permitted (with the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA even going so far as to say he will help Israel “do what they need to do”) genocide in Gaza isn’t US politics aside, why the fuck would you name your com “politics” and not allow politics from the hundreds of other countries?
Name your damn com US politics then, and maybe learn about the impacts of US foreign policy and recognize that the imperial hegemonic effects of the USs actions actually are US politics.
JFC that’s a stupid com.
It honestly hurts my brain and I would be more inclined to laugh about it if it didn’t hurt my heart so badly to see discussion of the Palestinian Genocide so clearly silenced by people like Jordan Lund.
jordanlundYou aren’t being silenced, you were re-directed to the appropriate community which is [email protected] , not !politics.
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- /politics has several explicitly defined rules. Which one states only US politics are accepted?
- Why would a com called /politics not allow discussions about politics?
- If the goal is to restrict posts to us politics, why aren’t you using a com like /us_politics?
- If the goal is to restrict posts to US politics, why don’t the impacts of US foreign policy or reports on domestic coverage of US aided foreign wars not count as pertaining to the US?
- US taxes are paying for Israeli bombs used to genocide Palestinians. How is that not related to US politics?
It’s literally the first line on the sidebar:
- If the goal is to restrict posts to us politics, why aren’t you using a com like /us_politics?
Good question, the community was set up before I was brought on board, I can’t say why they set it up that way, simply that it is.
- If the goal is to restrict posts to US politics, why don’t the impacts of US foreign policy or reports on domestic coverage of US aided foreign wars not count as pertaining to the US?
Unless the news article specifically points to US policy or political action, it doesn’t belong in Politics. This isn’t six degrees of separation.
World exists for non-us World news.
- US taxes are paying for Israeli bombs used to genocide Palestinians. How is that not related to US politics?
Because no US politician or policy authorizes the genocide. That’s an Israeli war crime. The US provided funding for legitimate defense, not genocide.
You can see what they THINK they were funding through sites like this:
ajc.org/…/what-every-american-should-know-about-u…
Now, you and I both know Israel isn’t ACTUALLY using the funding for that, but that’s on Israel.
As I said in another post, the funding was done in good faith, Israel is using it in bad faith.
Because no US politician or policy authorizes the genocide. That’s an Israeli war crime. The US provided funding for legitimate defense, not genocide.
Weird, considering a majority of the are fully okay in supporting it. Hell even Kamala fully embraced it to not hurt Biden
They did not support genocide. They support Israel as a nation and there is a difference.
Too many people honestly believe Netanyahu is capable of acting in good faith, you and I both know he’s not, but that’s not going to stop those who support Israel.
They did and still do.
www.972mag.com/biden-harris-democrats-israel-geno…
politico.com/…/biden-gaza-not-genocide-israel-001…
They support Israel as a nation and there is a difference.
Yes that’s why they still keep sad the bombs are for the defensive massacres of civilians
Campaigning for an end to violence and a two state solution is not supporting genocide. Try again.
Supplying and assisting the country committing a genocide is supporting a genocide. Especially when breaking laws to continue doing it.
Try again.
Why, it’s not like you are actually going to change your mind or accept facts. This and the previous threads make that absolutely clear
You are correct, I’m not changing my mind because I am correct. Supplying Israel is not the same thing as supporting genocide. The improper use of our support is the fault of ISRAEL. Not the United States.
If I give someone $100 for groceries, and they blow it on booze, I’m not supporting their alcoholism. That’s on them for mis-spending my honestly given support.
The problem is US politicians are stuck thinking “Hey, maybe THIS time it will be different! Give them a little more!” and it never is.
But that doesn’t change the fact that the support is NOT being given with the purpose of continuing the genocide.
You are correct, I’m not changing my mind because I am correct
Which is a wild stance when even your analogy isn’t a correct equivalence.
The usa is literally giving them the weapon and cover in UN to keep committing the genocide.
The problem is US politicians are stuck thinking “Hey, maybe THIS time it will be different! Give them a little more!” and it never is.
Hey you finally see how it relates to usa politics!
But that doesn’t change the fact that the support is NOT being given with the purpose of continuing the genocide
Correct, and until the genocide is US policy, which it never will be, discussions about Israel’s illegal actions belong in [email protected] and not [email protected]
You do get it!
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until the genocide is US policy
But support of it and Israel is us policy. So yes it should be allowed
Supporting Israel is not the same thing as supporting genocide.
It is when you work to prevent any consequences to county commitng the genocide.
When the US policy is support of Israel no matter what they do then it’s supporting a genocide when Israel is committing one
It is not though. Nobody in the US (well, Trump excepted, but he’s a special kind of… special) is arguing to kill as many people as possible.
When you look at the actual policy, over and over, it’s “Israel has a right to exist” and “Israel has a right to defend itself.”
As a sovereign nation, both of those statements are true. The radical element on Lemmy believes neither to be true, which is why they will never get beyond the level of screaming teenagers. “It’s not RIIIIIIGHT!” You are correct, it’s not right. Stomp your feet more.
When you look at the actual policy, over and over, it’s “Israel has a right to exist” and “Israel has a right to defend itself.”
Again not what is happening in the area. And any country committing a genocide should lose the right to exist
What is happening is separate from the US support for it.
The US helped create Israel and as a result, no US Politician is going to walk that back.
What is happening is separate from the US support for it.
So this is the current version of _I was just carrying out orders, I had no idea what that caused! _
Nope, because nobody is ordering the US to do anything. Support for Israel is more of a knee-jerk reaction.
Or better… the old apes, stairs, banana, firehose parable…
whatsthepont.blog/…/because-thats-the-way-weve-al…
You’ve got 5 Apes in a cage,
You’ve got a banana hanging by a string in the middle of the cage,
You’ve got some stairs going to the banana.
Now, pretty soon one of those Apes is going to go for the banana.
As soon as he hits the stairs,
You take a hose and spray all 5 Apes with freezing cold water for 5 minutes.
Now, some time passes.
And pretty soon another one of the Apes is going to make the same attempt (to get the banana) with the same result; all 5 Apes get sprayed with cold water.
Now, you turn off the cold water, you never use it again.
Time passes, and one of the Apes goes for the banana,
As he hits the stairs, the other 4 Apes pounce on him and beat the crap out of him.
OK, understandable.
Now, you replace one of those original Apes with a new Ape.
After a while that new Ape, well , he’s going to spy that banana.
And, when he goes for the stairs, the other 4 Apes are going to jump on him and beat the crap out of him.
Time passes and you replace another one of the original Apes with a new Ape, who is going to go for the banana.
The other 4 Apes beat the crap out of him, right?
Including, the first new Ape who has no idea why he is enthusiastically beating the crap out of this poor new guy.
Nor, why he himself had the crap beaten out of him.
OK?
Now, you keep replacing those original Apes with new Apes until finally you’ve got a cage filled with 5 Apes,
Who have NEVER had freezing cold water sprayed on them.
And never the less…
Not one of those Apes will ever attempt to climb those stairs again.
Why not?
Because, that’s the way we’ve always done it around here…
Nope, because nobody is ordering the US to do anything. Support for Israel is more of a knee-jerk reaction.
Which is why said it was the new version of the nazi excuses. It’s much worse that the usa is fine helping and abetting.
Again your analogy doesn’t work, this time because no one is doing anything to stop them. (and really really poor choice of example doing apes in place of those in the middle east)
The ape analogy, in this instance, are the US politicians doing the same thing over and over “because that’s the way we always do it.” But thanks for at least attempting to follow it.
You can’t follow non-existent orders, they are supporting Israel because we’ve always supported Israel. Circular logic is circular. Nobody told them to do it, it’s habitual.
It absolutely needs to change, but it won’t as long as there are AIPAC dollars floating around.
You can’t follow non-existent orders, they are supporting Israel because we’ve always supported Israel. Circular logic is circular. Nobody told them to do it, it’s habitual.
we aren’t committed the genocide, we’re just preventing any other country from doing anything about it. We totally are asking them nicely to not commit it and starve people but we just can’t do anything but continue to supply them with weapons. Wait why are you upset at us!?!
The ape analogy, in this instance, are the US politicians doing the same thing over and over “because that’s the way we always do it.” But thanks for at least attempting to follow it.
Again shows you need to work on the analogies
Pretty much, yeah, we can ask Israel to stop, but let’s be real here, Netanyahu doesn’t give a single fuck about what we ask them to do.
The real solution to the crisis is beyond anyone’s will to do. Boots on the ground invasion of Israel, take everyone into custody and have full on war crimes trials in the Hague, but that is never going to happen.
The real solution to the crisis is beyond anyone’s will to do. Boots on the ground invasion of Israel, take everyone into custody and have full on war crimes trials in the Hague, but that is never going to happen.
Well yeah, because America is providing cover and preventing anyone from stopping it
The story I’ve been telling for 40 years now is Israel is bratty little shit on the playground who thinks he can get away with anything “because my big brother can beat you up!”
It will continue until big brother steps aside and lets the little bastard get his ass whipped.
Unfortunately, it’s unlikely that will ever happen.
Your story is literally describing why the genocide is part of American politics…
And yet the removed article was absolutely not. Go read it again. Nothing in there about US Politics in the slightest.
Do you need a venn diagram? Will that help you?
You’re entire argument on why it’s not us politics is because it’s Israel but just showed how it is us politics because USA politicians are the ones holding up Israel and their genocide.
This entire thread is a case study in overreactions when questioned or shown you are incorrect.
There’s at least 10 different reasons you’ve give and provided examples of why that is incorrect but instead of being reflective you attack or think of a new excuse.
The story is about US MEDIA. Not US Politics. There is no political angle on the story, it’s about how the media is failing all of us.
I swear it’s like you guys never had to diagram sentences. Subject, Verb, Object.
Subject is US Media? Doesn’t belong in Politics.
And out come the insults!
You haven’t earned polite talk and in PTB I’m under no obligations.
Well that would make sense considering the world admins can’t seem to actually follow their own instance rules.
PTB is on DBZero which is rapidly earning a new reputation.
Imagine using mwog to show anything but how terrible the people on the comm are.
It’s impressive how often you say the worst possible things and think it’s a win for your argument