Mastodawn

ultimate_worrier Mar 15

PTB

Stop being a moron. What Israel is doing is an evil genocide, but it is NOT US political policy.

Get your head out of your ass!

Thank you for publicly making a fool out of yourself, it makes my task easier to point out your willful ignorance on US politics and how it dangerously bifurcates discussion about the US and Israel.

lemmy.world/post/44253357

Your task is to abide by community rules, which in this case means posting US Politics to Politics and World News to World.

Since you seem simple, let me explain how this works in small words just for you:

This post you made to Politics is FINE and was NOT removed:

Why? “US Democratic lawmakers have introduced a bill”

Democratic lawmakers (in the US) introduced a bill (in the US).

That, my friend, is US politics and belongs in Politics.

The OTHER things you posted about Israel, Gaza, etc. are NOT US politics.

You are welcome to post them in World as you were repeatedly told.

Democrats introduce ‘Justice for Hind Rajab Act’ as film about her death gains Oscar buzz - Lemmy.World

> Rajab was a six-year-old Palestinian girl from Gaza whose agonising death at the hands of Israeli soldiers on 29 January 2024 has become symbolic of the widespread violations of international humanitarian law committed during Israel’s genocide in the enclave, where over 72,000 Palestinians have been killed.

MerryJaneDoe Mar 15

As long as APAIC is funneling money into US politicians, everything Israel does is tangential to US politics.

In the 2022 midterm elections, AIPAC spent roughly $27 million, a figure that more than tripled to over $100 million for the 2024 cycle.

The US provided about $4 billion in aid to Israel.

We are right now engaged in a war - sorry, armed conflict - with Israel leading the charge.

So, yeah, have fun in your echo chamber where US politics is entirely divorced from the rest of the world.

newarab.com/…/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tac…

I’m sorry, but it’s absolutely not. Look at the posts Squirrel had removed:

Any mention of US personnel? Policy? Politicians? No? Goes in World. Not Politics.

dawnmena.org/destroying-al-shifa-hospital-robin-a…

What the US media does or does not do is also NOT politics. Again, appropriate for World, or News, not Politics.

alai.info/…/corporate-participation-and-complicit…

Similarly, what US corporations do or do not do is not Politics. World please.

www.middleeasteye.net/…/there-no-ceasefire-gaza

Correct, there is no cease fire in Gaza, who is doing the shooting? Israel. Not US Politics.

They were told repeatedly where the posts were appropriate and chose to argue instead of simply re-posting in the correct community.

American coorporates complicity with it is us politics

The US is funding the genocide as part of their foreign policy that makes it US politics.

The US is providing funding which Israel is appropriating for genocide, but it was never provided specifically for the genocide.

Israel’s war crimes are on Israel.

If you give money to someone after they tell you they are going to use that money to buy a gun and kill people you are morally responsible for those deaths.

Wrong analogy.

Someone tells you “Hey, someone has been breaking into my house, stealing things and breaking up the place.”

“Gee, that’s awful, you know how to fix that? Shotguns. Here you go!”

Then they go down and shoot up a school.

You didn’t tell them to shoot up a school. You helped them with a legitimate need.

The problem is they come back to you and go “Damn it! They broke in again!” and you provide them guns again hoping, beyond all hope, that instead this time, maybe THIS time, they’ll actually use them to defend their home.

Nope, this time they shoot up a hospital.

But their illegal use of the weapons is not what you authorized or intended.

un.org/…/special-rapporteur-report-gaza-genocide-…

IV. Intersecting Components of the Gaza Genocide A. Genocide Under the Guise of Diplomatic and Political Actions

Prolonged political and diplomatic support by influential Third States has enabled Israel to initiate and sustain its assault on the Palestinian people. In the past two years, entrenched complicity, marked by narrative manipulations and reproduction of Israeli fabrications, have muted the urgent calls for action and obscured the web of political, financial and military interests at play. The longstanding failure to address egregious violations of international law by Israel – threatening international peace and security – has normalized and deepened relations with it, entrenching oppression, domination and erasure.

Following 7 October 2023, most Western leaders parroted Israeli narratives, disseminated by State and corporate media, repeating debunked claims and erasing core distinctions between combatants and civilians. Israelis were depicted as “civilians” and “hostages”, and Palestinians as “Hamas terrorists”, “legitimate” or “collateral” targets, “human shields” or lawfully detained “prisoners”. Drawing on a long history of the “savage” denied protections of international law, revived by the War on Terror discourse, Western States helped to justify the genocide against Palestinians. On 9 October 2023, immediately after Israel announced a tightened siege on Gaza, key Western leaders expressed support for the “self-defence” of Israel – unwarranted under article 51 of the UN Charter. President Biden repeatedly cited unsubstantiated reports of “beheaded babies”. British opposition Leader Keir Starmer defended Israel’s right to cut off water and power to civilians.

This environment fuelled a ferocious Israeli assault. Even amidst urgent calls for a ceasefire, Western states, led by the United States, advocated only for humanitarian “corridors”, “pauses” and “truces” – sidestepping a permanent ceasefire and ensuring a continuation of the violence. States reverted to treating the situation as a humanitarian crisis to be managed, rather than resolved, by demanding that Israel end its unlawful occupation once and for all, providing further leeway to the assault on Gaza.

Post-October 2023, the United States used its veto power in the UN Security Council seven times, controlling ceasefire negotiations and providing diplomatic cover for the Israeli genocide. The US has not acted alone. Abstentions, delays, watered-down draft resolutions and a simplistic rhetoric of “balance” reinforced the diplomatic protection and political narrative Israel required to continue the The United Kingdom maintained alignment with the US position until November 2024. A bloc of Western states – Australia, New Zealand and Canada, sometimes joined by the UK, Germany or the Netherlands – appeared at times ready to pressurize Israel, such as in December 2023, when their statements added momentum for a ceasefire. Yet their introduction of the term “sustained ceasefire” produced a diluted UNSC resolution that delayed action. In February 2024, they criticized the planned invasion of Rafah while simultaneously withdrawing United Nations Relief Words Agency (UNRWA) funding. Such diplomacy created an illusion of progress while concrete actions were repeatedly stymied.

Sanctions served a similar In 2024, Australia, Canada, the EU, New Zealand and the UK sanctioned some extremist settlers and organizations, and in June 2025, Israeli Ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich were sanctioned by Australia, Canada, Norway and the UK. Yet such isolated actions effectively condone the Israeli state system and structures as a whole.

Arab and Muslim states have long supported the Palestinian Three joint Arab- Islamic summits and several extraordinary meetings on Palestine, generated some collective efforts, including the Arab Plan. Nevertheless, these actions have not been decisive, even amid Israeli aggression against six Arab States, reflecting the complexity of regional geopolitics. Normalization through the US-brokered Abraham Accords has also shifted economic incentives. Open sources report that influential States in the region facilitated land routes to Israel, bypassing the Red Sea. While Qatar and Egypt sought to broker ceasefire agreements, Qatar hosts the largest US military base in the region, and Egypt maintained significant security and economic relations with Israel, including energy cooperation and the closing of the Rafah crossing.

Certain non-Western States have turned to international courts to seek accountability and pressurize Israel to cease its actions. While only 13 States have supported South Africa before the ICJ, most Western States have persistently denied genocide. None have joined Nicaragua against Germany at the ICJ, or invoked domestic laws against complicit corporations or individuals. Only seven referred the situation to the ICC, many sought to undermine its arrest warrants, and at least 37 States were non-committal or critical, signalling intent to evade arrest obligations. The United States imposed sanctions to paralyse the Court; the United Kingdom threatened its funding, while Prime Minister Netanyahu travelled freely across European airspace, even visiting Hungary, which withdrew from the Court in April 2025.

Israel has been sheltered from accountability in courts as well as in global fora, with institutions preventing its deserved expulsion both from sports (e.g., Paris Olympics, FIFA World Cup qualifiers, FIBA, Davis Cup) and cultural events (Eurovision, Venice Biennale).

The ICJ’s groundbreaking ruling on the illegality of the occupation has yet to bring change. On 18 September 2024, the UN General Assembly adopted resolution ES-10/24, reaffirming the binding nature of the Court’s legal obligations and formulating a roadmap to end the occupation by 17 September 2025 through diplomatic, economic and legal measures which states have yet to implement.

The Saudi–French Two-State Solution Conference of September 2025 led to ten new States recognizing the State of Palestine. While an important step, these tardy recognitions have so far remained symbolic, with no tangible effect in addressing the ongoing genocide. Overall, 20 new states have issued recognitions of the State of Palestine since October 2023, but with restrictive conditions (e.g., concerning governance, territorial integrity, political independence and demilitarization) incompatible with the very essence of self- determination, effectively reproducing forms of colonial tutelage.

Since October 2023, only Belize, Bolivia, Colombia and Nicaragua have suspended diplomatic relations with Israel, and only six States – Bahrain, Chad, Chile, Honduras, Jordan, Türkiye and South Africa – have downgraded their relations with Israel.

The most notable effort has come from the Hague Group initiative launched in January 2025. Led by Colombia and South Africa, 13 States of the Global Majority have committed to enforce six concrete measures against Israel. Twenty-one other States joined the third meeting of the Group in New York on the sidelines of the 80th Session of the General Assembly. Despite the efforts of some of its members, Israel still holds its UN credentials.

On 30 September 2025, many States, including Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye and the UAE, endorsed the “Trump Plan”, despite its silence on ending the occupation, ensuring accountability, providing transitional justice and its imposition of a temporary mechanism of imperial foreign governance for Gaza that further undermines, rather than realizes, Palestinian self-determination.

I don’t know if anyone told you this but the israelis are the ones who broke into the Palestinians house with the help of the allied powers.

Man you are so stupid

moonshadow Mar 15

I don’t think someone could actually be that stupid, they’re probably evil

Show me the vote where the US told Israel to kill as many people as possible. It’s cool. I can wait.

There is a radical contingent on Lemmy that wants to blame the US for every evil thing in the world, that is not reality.

They will grow up some day, today is not that day.

Under the genocide and geneva conventions the united states should not give a single dime to Israel until the occupation end. It is complicity but you are too stupid to realize this. Nothing radical about opposing the complicity of the united states in the settler colonial project.

Absolutely agreed, but that doesn’t make Israeli war crimes a topic for a community exclusively for US politics.

Post up a story about the US House and Senate voting to fund or de-fund Israel? AIPAC swinging US elections again? Sure.

Israel committing war crimes is World news not US politics.

Your entire argument boils down to a child going “i’m not touching you”.

Luminous5481 "Lawless Heathen" [they/them]Mar 15

The US is providing funding which Israel is appropriating for genocide, but it was never provided specifically for the genocide.

that’s a distinction without a difference,

Huge difference for the people who legitimately believe Israel has a right to self defense. The problem is they also can’t recognize that Israel moved to offense ages ago.

The funding was provided in good faith, it’s being used in bad faith. That’s the difference.

You are framing this as sequence of events where the US formerly gave Israel weapons under false pretenses from Israel about what they would be used for when there is no evidence it was under false pretenses, there is no evidence it stopped and there is no evidence it will stop.

You are trying to describe a river as a truck that drove by once, not a continuous flow where each subsequent thing is an evolution and a response to the last. You say well the US drove the truck of weapons to Israel and THEN they committed Genocide with them… I say it is a continous river where if what was happening downstream was truly dammed (and not just damned), the consequences would already be overwhelming for what was attempting to dam an undeniable upstream force even if there is a physical distance of separation described… it is a river, that is what rivers are, conveyances in communication.

This is a river of arms, death and the machinery of oppression.

amnesty.org/…/lebanon-israeli-militarys-deliberat…

First - 100% props for dammed/damned. Chefs kiss!

The problem is that US politicians are absolutely blind when it comes to Israeli war crimes. I personally know people in Southern Lebanon impacted not just by what Israel is doing there NOW, but what they have been doing there, Jesus, going back to the 90s through multiple illegal occupations.

All the politicians see is “Hezbollah attacks Israel? ZOMG! More money for defense!”

Ignoring the fact that, the reality on the ground is, they will kidnap a doctor in the middle of the night, tell him if he resists, he will be shot and killed, haul him off to treat a prisoner with no compensation, and then dump him on the side of the road like so much trash when they no longer have a use for him.

That’s a true story from the brother of one of my close friends. The difference is, I have the decency and common sense to blame Israel for it, not the US.

It’s Israeli policy to bulldoze homes, not US policy:

Lebanon: Israeli military’s deliberate destruction of civilian property and land ‘must be investigated as war crimes’

The Israeli military’s extensive and deliberate destruction of civilian property and agricultural land across southern Lebanon must be investigated as war crimes, Amnesty International said in a new briefing. Nowhere To Return: Israel’s Extensive Destruction of Southern Lebanon documents how Israeli forces used manually laid explosives and bulldozers to devastate civilian structures, including homes, mosques, […]

Amnesty International

un.org/…/special-rapporteur-report-gaza-genocide-…

First - 100% props for dammed/damned. Chefs kiss!

Don’t play cute with me, I am accusing you of a grave crime upon your own soul you fool.

IV. Intersecting Components of the Gaza Genocide A. Genocide Under the Guise of Diplomatic and Political Actions

newarab.com/…/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tac…

Lets try to keep this simple since I see you can’t keep up.

[email protected] is specifically for US Politics.

You posted this story:

It was removed and you were directed to appropriately post it in [email protected] where it belongs.

I want you to go over that article very carefully and point to me where it states the US is in any way involved in the invasion of Lebanon.

You can’t, because it doesn’t.

For example, like this one:

israelhayom.com/…/trump-gave-israel-green-light-f…

That is something that COULD be posted to [email protected] as it specifically indicts a US politician and is directly related to US politics.

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Try harder

I’m making pictures now for the people who refuse to read words, maybe that will help? Dunno.

Amnesigenic Mar 17

Get a job

NotASharkInAManSuit Mar 17

It is, though.

Mainaiining occupation is not self defense. Nazi germany did not have the right to defend themselves against the people they genocided

en.wikipedia.org/…/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_on_…

jordanlund Mar 16

No, and that’s not the defense the funding was provided for. The US intended Israel to defend itself from repeated attacks by Iran:

Then Israel re-directed that support into Gaza and the West Bank.

April 2024 Iranian strikes on Israel - Wikipedia

mrdown Mar 16

In response to the bombing of the iranian consulate in Syria. It is none of the usa business anyway to send a single dime to a settler colonial power till it end occupation

jordanlund Mar 16

Agreed, but as long as politicians rely on donations for re-election campaigns, they will absolutely do anything to keep that money flowing.

Luminous5481 "Lawless Heathen" [they/them]Mar 17

how long has Israel been committing genocide? how long ago was the beginning of the nakba? and how long ago was the last time the GOP and democrats came together in a strong showing of bipartisan support for Israel to give them weapons to kill more Arabs (and now Persians)?

the funding is being used exactly for the purpose the US intended it for. and you know that.

Ensign_Crab Mar 19

Huge difference for the people who legitimately believe Israel has a right to self defense.

No one believes genocide is self defense.

The funding was provided in good faith, it’s being used in bad faith

The funding was provided by genocide supporting shit who absolutely knew that the only thing it was ever going to be used for was to commit genocide.

thethrilloftime69 Mar 15

This is such a weird distinction. Everything Israel does is with the help of US policy. Like I don’t understand why it’s not allowed by the communities rules.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzerainty

Exactly, it isn’t even some weird conspiracy either, empires have had vassal states since as long as empires have existed, why are we pretending now that vassal states don’t exist as a concept because the subject is the US and Israel?

Suzerainty differs from sovereignty in that the dominant power does not exercise centralized governance over the vassals, allowing tributary states to be technically self-ruling but enjoy only limited independence. Although the situation has existed in a number of historical empires, it is considered difficult to reconcile with 20th- or 21st-century concepts of international law, in which sovereignty is a binary concept, which either exists or does not. In contrast, suzerainty is non-binary and lies on a continuum. While a sovereign state can agree by treaty to become a protectorate of a stronger power, modern international law does not recognise any way of making this relationship compulsory on the weaker power. Suzerainty is a practical, de facto situation, rather than a legal, de jure one.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal_state

It is remarkable arguing against someone where all it takes is literally two wikipedia articles about basic political concepts to demolish their moderation policy for the largest Political community on a network.

Suzerainty - Wikipedia

What Israel is doing are specific actions taken by Israel. They are not being directed by US policy or US Politicians. The US provides funding for Israeli defense which Israel immediately misappropriates for the genocide.

Again, Israeli war crimes, not US war crimes.

There is no US policy stating “Gaza? Pfffft… kill 'em all.”

Unruffled [they/them]Mar 15

There is no US policy stating “Gaza? Pfffft… kill 'em all.”

But that is exactly what US policy is, in effect. By refusing to hold Israel accountable, by continuing to supply arms and political cover, and by joining hands with Israel to attack Iran, the US government (both parties) has repeatedly endorsed, aided and abetted the genocidal government of Israel. The stain of that genocide can’t be washed away so easily, simply by you naively claiming US politicians thought Israel would use such support purely for self defence. Nobody is buying the obvious bullshit you are selling. US politicians want Israel to be a US stronghold in the region, no matter what. The whole world thinks the US is culpable, because we have eyes and ears.

jordanlund Mar 16

“In effect” but not explicitly stated. Unless you can point to it actually being US Policy, it doesn’t belong in a community dedicated to US policy.

Again, this is why separate communities exist and have their own rules. You don’t go into the carnivore community going on about how “hey, beefsteak tomatoes are effectively the same thing! It’s in the name!”

goferking (he/him)Mar 16

According to Jordan countries are only in the wrong if they write down their rule breaking.

Apparently supporting and covering a literal genocide is fine if the country doesn’t write down that as policy

davel Mar 17

Lund is a little Eichmann. Very little, fortunately.

Little Eichmanns - Wikipedia

NotASharkInAManSuit Mar 17

Ensign_Crab Mar 19

There is no US policy stating “Gaza? Pfffft… kill 'em all.”

Odd. You posted the only remaining thought in Biden’s head.

BlameTheAntifa Mar 15

Wow.

supersquirrel Mar 16

removed because you know you are wrong

goferking (he/him)Mar 16

Nah removed by the mods for him breaking the rules

unmagical Mar 15

Insanity of saying the US fueled, funded, and permitted (with the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA even going so far as to say he will help Israel “do what they need to do”) genocide in Gaza isn’t US politics aside, why the fuck would you name your com “politics” and not allow politics from the hundreds of other countries?

Name your damn com US politics then, and maybe learn about the impacts of US foreign policy and recognize that the imperial hegemonic effects of the USs actions actually are US politics.

JFC that’s a stupid com.

It honestly hurts my brain and I would be more inclined to laugh about it if it didn’t hurt my heart so badly to see discussion of the Palestinian Genocide so clearly silenced by people like Jordan Lund.

You aren’t being silenced, you were re-directed to the appropriate community which is [email protected] , not !politics.

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You just banned me from !politics, which would be the definition of silencing?

lemmy.world/post/44253357

I temp banned you for three days after you repeatedly failed to follow the clear guidelines I gave you.

When the ban expires, you’re welcome to post US Politics articles back in Politics as you did here (excellent post BTW):

If you insist on posting “Israel bad!” to a community specifically for US Politics, you will get banned again.

Israel / Gaza = Goes in [email protected]

Things actually involving US Politics goes in Politics.

This is why separate communities exist.

Democrats introduce ‘Justice for Hind Rajab Act’ as film about her death gains Oscar buzz - Lemmy.World

If you insist on posting “Israel bad!” to a community specifically for US Politics, you will get banned again.

Please elaborate on what precisely you mean by “Israel bad!”? Do you mean low effort articles that claim Israel is bad for intellectually lazy reasons? Have I posted those? If so which ones? What evidence do you have of those articles having baseless, sloppy criticisms of the politics at hand here?

Israel / Gaza = Goes in [email protected]

How does this make sense? Defend your position as moderator of a community where you exclude Israel/Gaza as a political topic but you do not exclude discussion of any other international issue that has direct, intimate relevance to the US along countless dimensions?

I temp banned you for three days after you repeatedly failed to follow the clear guidelines I gave you.

Ok, lets make a bet, how many US made bombs do you think Israel will drop from US trained fighter pilots flying US jets that refueled on US made tanker aircraft on innocent children in the next 3 days while I wait to post political articles about it? 20? 30? I will say 35 as my guess, what do you guess?

Politics is specifically stated to be for US Politics.

Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is NOT US Politics. Israel is not the United States.

No US Politician told Israel to bomb a hospital. There was no vote in the House or Senate to authorize bombing hospitals.

Yes, what Israel is doing are war crimes, but they are outside the sphere of US Politics.

Israel being a bad actor is welcome in [email protected]

Unless there is a specific connection to US Political leaders or Policy (as there was in the post that was NOT removed), it doesn’t belong in [email protected]

I have this same conversation when people post internal US News to World as well. World is a US news free zone. Otherwise it would be “Trump does stupid shit” top to bottom.

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So let me get this straight so I can laugh harder at your absurd attempts to rationalize your innate emotional desire not to see reality for how it is, if Israel drops a 2000 pound bomb US made bomb on a children’s school in Gaza and kills 15 children, and then US politicians run cover for Israel stopping international agencies that could hold Israel accountable from being able to do so… you don’t think that is relevant to US politics?

The US is absolutely instrumental along every dimension in the Palestinian Genocide, material, monetary, political, cultural… in every respect the US is relevant. if you cannot grasp that you should not be moderating a Politics community, period, full stop. Having you in charge of a Politics community is tantamount to having a child run a Liquor store unsupervised, you have no clue what you are doing and frankly it is dangerous.

As a final note, in the interests of shitting on anti-semitism because let me make clear I cannot stand anti-semites they piss the hell out of me, fuck people who lazily blame the consequences of their choices on jews and call it a day… it is necessary to discuss how Israel is a colonial imperialist outpost of the US and reflects many of the same patterns the US has in order to diffuse anti-semitic narratives that Israel’s behavior has something to do with being jewish and evil, and nothing to do with being a vassal state of a colonial empire that can do things the colonial empire/suzerain can’t get away with doing themselves.

If you link to a story showing the US House or Senate voting to cover for Israel (or, heck, voting to sanction Israel), that would, in fact, be US Politics.

US Politicians taking official action regarding Israel is fine for [email protected]

Israel committing war crimes in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria goes in [email protected]

US Politicians volunteering to be Israeli lapdogs like Schumer or Fetterman do repeatedly? Also [email protected]

Because, again, US politicians doing political things in the US.

Israel illegally invading Lebanon, AGAIN? [email protected] That’s Israeli political policy, not US political policy.

politics - Lemmy.World

Not only is the division you are attempting to construct here utterly artificial, it is an artifice that obscures one of the most brutal human rights atrocities in my lifetime.

Shame on you, shame on you for toying with this conversation like it is simply an abstracted conversation about definitions. You know it isn’t, don’t treat me like I am stupid enough to believe you think it is.

There is a Genocide going on right now, as we speak, and you are participating gleefully in silencing conversation about it. Own it coward.

There is a genocide going on right now, being committed by Israelis, not Americans.

If you want to see the [email protected] appropriate war crimes, look to the bombing of the girls school in Iran. US Policy, US personnel. That’s 100% allowed in Politics.

If you are incapable of telling the difference between bad actions committed by Israel vs the US, there’s no point in a temp ban, I can just permaban you now.

politics - Lemmy.World

insurrection Mar 15

Americans are building the bombs and providing political cover.