Violet@Ice:~$💜​​​Mar 17
I'm really disappointed to see #bitwarden falling into the slop hole. Can anyone recommend a #passwordmanager , ideally #selfhosted , that doesn't use LLM slop in its core product, OR in its contributing commits?
#askfedi
Show threadBeckyMar 17

@violet @astraluma

1Password has been awesome, my polycule’s resident techspert has had it running locally for ages (well, locally in the cloud, but eh. Not through another server)

Show thread🌸 lumi-nhac    🌱
@Beckydog @violet @astraluma isn't it proprietary software? i would argue against using proprietary software for anything, especially anything security-sensitive

also, if you go to 1password.com
Mar 17 at 2:33pmWeb
Show threadViolet@Ice:~$💜​​​Mar 17

@lumi @Beckydog @astraluma you are working better than I can this morning. Even researching adjacent to the slop is melting my brain 😭😭😭

Thanks Lumi

Show thread🌸 lumi-nhac    🌱Mar 17
@violet @Beckydog @astraluma ofc ​​
Show threadBeckyMar 17

@lumi @violet @astraluma

I can only speak from a user point of things, but there’s no Ai in it afaik!

Show thread🌸 lumi-nhac    🌱Mar 17
@Beckydog @violet @astraluma sadly, it's not like you can check, as it is proprietary software. and from their website, it seems like they do embrace it, so i think there is a high likelihood there is genai-generated code in it
Show threadAstraLumaMar 17

@lumi @Beckydog @violet i wouldn't equate "shipping features or solutions for AI" to "going all-in on genAI"

in the context of this bubble and having investors, having some kind of AI thing is pretty much a requirement for a tech company.

But 1pass has always been big on developer, automation, servers, etc, so them re-spinning those existing features for AI would have low impact on their product.

Show thread🌸 lumi-nhac    🌱Mar 17
@astraluma @Beckydog @violet if we assume that 1password cares about ethics, this is a good argument

but they're proprietary software, so i don't buy it
Show threadAstraLumaMar 17

@lumi @Beckydog @violet you don't need ethics to be against AI?

You can be against on the basis of "new hype technologies have a history of being immature and risky" or "genAI code tends to lack nuance and be kinda crap, and we're a security product" or "we use a B-list tech stack, and the AI just isn't very good at it"

Show thread🌸 lumi-nhac    🌱Mar 17
@astraluma @Beckydog @violet i guess i'm less optimistic about it
Show threadAstraLumaMar 17

@lumi @Beckydog @violet that's valid

but no situation has been improved by overestimating the risks

and yes, ultimately, it is all proprietary code and we can only speculate.

but so far, all I'm seeing is that 1password is only shipping AI integrations. Which is basically the same as Just's MCP server https://just.systems/man/en/model-context-protocol.html

Model Context Protocol - Just Programmer's Manual

Show threadAstraLumaMar 17

@lumi @Beckydog @violet if your goal is nothing that even acknowledges AI, yeah, 1pass does that.

but like i said elsethread, it's going to be real hard to do non-trivial computing with that standard in this moment

Show thread🌸 lumi-nhac    🌱Mar 17
@astraluma @Beckydog @violet that is definitely fair. it being proprietary is a much bigger no-no to me
Show threadbenMar 17

@lumi @Beckydog @violet @astraluma 1password recently put its prices up citing ‘AI-generated titles’ or some such as one of the exciting new features that this price increase would be paying for.

I don‘t have a huge amount of faith in their judgment as a result.