Devin Ulibarri
Waffle HoundYou Wouldn't Steal...
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Septimaeus
Valmond
DiplomjodlerOf course we would! How dare you assume the same rules apply to is as to you, filthy plebe?
It is not the sum total. There is so much more that was never written on the internet. In my profession, I use AI for scripting and web searching but offers next to no information or help with my main gig.
Imagine all the knowledge we gained and lost before we invented writing. Some of it probably got relearned, or survived orally until someone wrote it down, but there’s undoubtedly human knowledge that has ceased to exist. Like how to hunt mammoths. At best we speculate and use clues to reconstruct, but we still don’t know in a manner that would have been taught generation to generation among people who relied on them.
fenrasulfrWell… I wouldn’t tell you about it. Please do not read our eula, there is nothing to see there about us getting all the rights to whatever you put on our servers.
Joel Tenenbaum must be feeling pretty silly for not thinking to argue in court that he downloaded mp3s for a business instead of personal use.
Why is it stealing in the first place!? Humanity is built on sharing, cooperation and community. Especially knowledge only profits from being shared.
I’m not for LLM garbage, I’m against IP.
Because current material conditions require that workers hold a copyright on their productions lest they be denied compensation required for survival under our capitalist system.
You don’t stop paying rent just because housing should be a right.
We all know what the better system should be, but we need to get there.
The biggest problem is that workers generally dont hold those rights, the people they contract with do.
These laws aren’t protecting workers, they’re protecting corporations, they’re protecting capital. Unless that changes, IP laws are so broken there’s no point in honoring them except to avoid punishment.
Its basically better to go around them and support workers directly than to try and give them a pittance through their taskmasters.
You don’t stop paying rent just because housing should be a right.
Maybe you don’t. They call me Papa Squat for a reason
moondoggieI thought it was because you’re always shitting in the yard
There can be more than one reason
MinnesotaGoddami would be against IP iff society took care of everyone and authors and inventors could write and design and not worry about material needs.
also if they could just get dune buggies whenever they wanted. when society does that, i’ll be in favor of abolishing IP law. until then, IP law provides me with dune buggy money via pathetic royalties from the cds i recorded. i get pennies a year dammit. pennies!
Humanity is built on sharing, cooperation and community.
Was.
Yes, we all benefit when knowledge is shared. Until gathering that knowledge is cost-free, there’s a compensation requirement for expertise.
And any point in time when corps want to take the knowledge and lock it up to monetize it, we especially need to bring out intellectual property laws to keep our knowledge open and free.
World book, Webster’s dictionary and the Bible are user-pay repositories of very curated knowledge, for instance. If you’re basing your opinion on these as mechanisms for sharing our collective experience, understand they don’t freely share free info – that both freedoms aren’t present.
mercIn case you’re not aware, it’s making fun of the You Wouldn’t Steal a Car ad campaign from the MPAA in 2004.
The sum total of human experience should be free to do with which any of us desires, free from gatekeeping laws created by the owning class in order to exploit the fruits of the laborer’s efforts.
However, considering the current material conditions of the world requiring ownership rights in order to provide for creators, it’s quadruple fucked up that the owning class is taking it all in order to replace those who created it while destroying the world it inhabits.
I’m all for copyrights if we can use them to guillotine the establishment, legally speaking of course.
I was moderately in the “piracy is stealing” camp until both this shit happened, and EVERYTHING got enshittified.
Fuck em.
I have always been in both camps.
I have always held to a strict code of, “make no profit”.
I share what I have, and sell nothing. not even at cost.
IP rights are important, but there is zero harm sharing IP freely. it’s no different than watching a movie from a public library.
Once you start selling though, is when you cross a line of profiting off of someone else’s hard work.
AI crossed that line.
Oh I’d never sell stuff. I guess that’s how we are different from billionaire scum.
I had a couple friends that would burn movies and sell them $5 a pop. they were on my “do not share” list. I did that mostly as a way to distance myself from the “inevitable” criminal charges.
That’s a good framework, and I appreciate you sharing it, because I realise that aligns with how I think about this too — I just hadn’t put it into such succinct words as you just have
Well no I wouldn’t. Not because I think piracy is wrong, yo ho ho. Not because I think machine learning is completely worthless. Because garbage in garbage out. The vast majority of humanity’s written works is contradictory, utilizes flawed logic, is based on flawed information and data, is intentionally misleading, or an outright fabrication. Even with trustworthy work there’s so much assumed context it could easily be misinterpreted or indecipherable. Failing to curate training data is just asking for bullshit.
Although I agree with the stuff about written things being contradictory, but I think your comment is a little reductive about machine learning.
Machine learning has rapidly transformed many areas, here’s a few:
- Object recognition
- Facial recognition
- Medical imaging
- Language translation
- Speech recognition
- Text generation
- Drug Discovery
- Genomics
The list is rather endless really. Take text recognition and computer vision. People that are blind can now wear Meta (shit company I know) glasses and actually go shopping, pick up items and have the labels read to them. Thats fucking awesome.
Yeah I was only talking about in the context of LLMs, which honestly don’t feel like the best use of machine learning to me. Real scientists and engineers using machine learning to create efficient heuristics to solve real bounded problems, and actually verifying the output through conventional means, is incredibly powerful. There’s still a lot of overhyped bullshit out there outside the LLM chatbot space, but the point stands that any machine learning algorithm should have its training data carefully curated. The techbro strategy of throwing more nodes and random data at an LLM hoping it will magically hit some exponential threshold of performance is stupid.
Jo4tedWe can remake the last 2 seasons of Game of Thrones using Game of Thrones as training data.
We can make Bran fly out of another window.
You have me thinking of how awesome it would be if something like Our Robocop Remake was made for Game of Thrones. The movie was split up into scenes and different indie directors did each scene. It was disjointed and hilarious. I want to see that scene you mentioned with Bran except he starts flying after he gets pushed out.
Kilgore TroutThat anti-piracy campaign inserted in every DVD release aged like milk.