FoxtrotDeltaTangoI upgraded to windows 11 by accidentally pressing spacebar on startup
I’m deeply sorry. If it’s any consolation, it will eventually happen to everybody.
Or at least everybody that didn’t see the light and adopt The Penguin… But let’s leave religion to another time.
FuglyDuckBTW, Arch is awesome.
( actually, i use Manjaro. but it’s based on arch. so that still counts, right?)
so that still counts, right?
Still counts. You now have to say you use arch every hour, otherwise you’ll implode.
Wait…does this apply to all Arch based distros? If so I haven’t been talking about it nearly enough.
please don’t go any further without mentioning you use arch, it can be dangerous!!!
I noticed this while I was using arch, btw.
thisbenzingringand you look marvelous! btw
exumanjaro has had a lot of drama and problems in the past and i don’t think it’s really a good distro to use. they forgot to renew their ssl certificate multiple times, they break software due to their weird update strategy (they use custom repos which hold back updates mostly arbitrarily for a week) which breaks dependencies and sometimes breaks the entire system, and their gui package manager once overwhelmed the AUR with traffic.
a better alternative with an easy gui installer would be endeavouros or cachyos. endeavour is basically manjaro except competent and with regular arch packages. cachy has its own repos (in order to build specialized versions of packages), but it keeps in sync with the regular arch repos.
though of course if manjaro is working for you that’s great and any amount of linux use is good. manjaro is just a bit temperamental. i also understand that some people can’t just distrohop, for example because they don’t have a separate home partition, or not enough space to copy important files elsewhere before wiping their partitions.
T4V0As a end user I definitely wouldn’t recommend Manjaro right now, especially with the current organization drama right now, Manjaro’s 2.0 manifesto. After they restructure themselves, it might come out as a more interesting distro, but for now it’s best to steer clear.
Manjaro 2.0 Manifesto
To me, it seems a bit like the ‘Mutiny on the Bounty’. Many of us were part of the Manjaro project from the very start, whilst others joined us later on our shared journey. And now some feel as though they’ve bought a ticket for the Titanic and are heading straight for an iceberg… Back in 2019, we made the transition from a community project to a community-driven company and also used assets for commercial projects as a normal company would do. If an “exit to the community” or, in our case, ano...
TrickDacySo many of these things just seem incredibly bizarre once you’re used to Linux.
VlynAt least that’s usually an honest mistake, instead of some managers trying to juice their numbers through dark patterns.
Unless, of course, you’re using Ubuntu. Then it might also be a manager trying to juice their numbers.
I do a yay (sudo pacman -Syu, under the hood) every two weeks or so and shit don’t break. Dunno what weird program dependencies y’all have for stuff to break so often.
In any case, if shit broke, I have snapshots of the last 5 days and last 5 upgrades. It’s automatic, not rocket science.
Dude, Arch is a rolling release, it has no dist-upgrade equivalent. You’re not even in the right conversation.
Debian, Ubuntu, … and plenty of other distros have. Just upgrading my server from Ubuntu 22 to 24 (both LTS) took an hour or two of fixing things.
You are the one that introduced a non rolling release distro in a generic Linux chain. It was generic Linux, then you did a comment specific to non rolling distros, then I did one specific to rolling distros.
I wanted to highlight the disparity of the general perception that rolling distros are annoying since they might break sometimes, with the reality that non rolling distros definitely break shit when upgrading versions.
I don’t see a problem with our comment exchange.
the general perception that rolling distros are annoying since they might break sometimes, with the reality that non rolling distros definitely break shit when upgrading versions.
Personally, I still prefer the non-rolling distros.
A rolling distro might break on any update, and you never know when.
But for non-rolling, you can wait until you have available time to deal with any issues. Sure there will be issues and things that need reconfiguring – you basically just reinstalled your whole OS. But you can choose when and if that happens, so you can schedule it for a convenient time when you’ve got time and energy to work on it if necessary.
(And, personally, I wouldn’t do the dist-upgrade thing at all. I just download the newest LTS version and install it as a fresh install, then port everything important over from backups. Nice fresh start with no old baggage hanging around. Often, I’d do that at the same time as a major hardware upgrade as well, so it’s basically a new PC.)
Then … don’t do that?
Is there something that 24 had and 22 didn’t and you just had to have that feature? If not, just stick with 22.
Or if you’re one of those who just has to have the latest of everything, you should be on a rolling release distro instead, and you won’t have this issue.
gnuthing [they/them]Last time I had an upgrade break my system was Windows ME
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🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 Thank god it requires enabling something my BIOS has disabled by default and I don’t need it for anything, otherwise my install of 10 would have already been turned into 11 on its own.
ZorinOS is nice tow Windows users if you want ui similarly
My son tried it after avoiding Linux for months. He didn’t like Zorin and eventually settled on CachyOS.
A man of taste.
More like a downgrade
Cevilia (they/she/…)Pro tip: If you must use Windows, pick Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021. Most things still run on it, and that baby’s got no user-facing slop and five more years of support in it. Mass Grave dot dev.
+1 massgrave. Got the extended support for my regular W10 pro. After that, it’s going to be debian if - fingers crossed - nothing breaks. It’s a 6700K build.
Going to Linux is probably the more sustainable solution (I ended up on Ubuntu and my 4130 is happy enough) but you apparently might be able to convert-in-place to the IoT edition, if that’s the route you’d prefer to go down.
I’m a Linux user but not everyone has that privilege.
I just want everyone to have an OS that works for them, and I’m getting kinda tired of that being a hot take.
I can understand that point. But putting more effort into making windows half normal and kinda usable seems like wasting time, Its an uphill battle that you are loosing anyway at some point.
Autisti4Sometimes linux is just not possible with the hardware :(
I tried my best, but neither my SP7’s touch screen or pen functionality work properly with linux (even with the linux-surface-kernel). And there’s still no good alternatives for SPs in the market either, for tablet+computer+works properly for art (at least any I could ever afford)
archonetThe Framework 12 actually seems really ideal for this, being that it has a 360 degree hinge and works properly with Linux.
It’s also expensive as fuck, but then, you can repair and upgrade it, and I’ve heard Surface tablets are an absolutely miserable experience to try repairing. So up to you if the upfront cost is worth less pain down the road.
I don’t think the pen input sensitivity on it is suitable for pro-level artists, but I might be wrong.
Still not there for art, sadly. For example their pen has only half of the pressure sensitivity SPs better pens have :(
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