Chris HansonMar 15

There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now:

1. Becoming delusional about themselves and the world as a result of being glazed nonstop by the friend in their computer, thinking they’re inventing new physics, discovering mystical secrets, etc. and becoming manic.

2. Becoming delusional about what LLMs are capable of and how effective they are, as a result of developing a reliance upon them, and becoming fanatical in their promotion and defense.

#ai #llm #slop

Show threadChris HansonMar 15

As an example, see the incredible escalation in response to me saying that the output of an LLM does not represent a developer’s own work: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47344155

The slopmonger refuses to accept that what they’re doing meets the academic definition of plagiarism. Instead they insist that I must not understand LLMs and that I need to get out of the way and out of the industry because what they’re doing is the way of the future.

#ai #llm #slop

If it’s the output of an LLM, it’s not their own work. | Hacker News

Show threadColin CornabyMar 15

@eschaton I’m not sure exactly how to put it - but I just don’t have as much interest in something if I learn the code was generated.

Maybe the best metaphor I have is in art. I have art hanging on my wall that I admire because it’s nice but also because it was made by hand. I can see the craft and work that went into it.

Maybe one decided to generate AI art. That doesn’t mean I’m going to feel the same about it or think that you’re as much of an artist.

Show threadOsma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦Mar 15
Can it be art if it's not made by hand? Lots of examples come to mind. Jewelry may be reproduced by casting. Prints are, well, prints. Architecture is manufactured (by machines as well as people other than the designer). Even in music there are loop machines, synthesizers, etc. But an author or artist is at the core.
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Show threadColin Cornaby

@osma @eschaton I think it depends. I don't have the same relationship with prints - but I also own some because they're reproductions of the original artwork. I would assume the same is true of jewelry.

I think even if you wanted to call AI art "art" it doesn't require the same emotional connection or recognition. In the same way that someone who brings home McDonalds for dinner doesn't need to be treated as if they cooked the meal.

Mar 15 at 6:33amElk
Show threadOsma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦Mar 15

Some prints and some jewelry are reproductions. Others have been designed to be reproduced - the medium being part of the piece.

It's easy to agree that slop at the scale of McDonalds isn't equivalent to a lovingly crafted original, not so easy to set a bright line behind which everything is different.
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Show threadprof_TMar 18
@osma @colincornaby @eschaton the problem for me is that LLM is not a passive tool for reproduction - creating art is a - erm - creative process involving million decisions that result in communication with audience. And now we are inserting an intermediary with agency and biases into our communication. I encourage you to read Nexus by Harrari, a very sobering book.
Show threadOsma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦Mar 18
There is more to AI than LLMs. There is more to LLMs than text confabulators. And there's more to diffusion models than nonconsensual porn video generators. It's not all the same, which is why the lines aren't as hard and fast as some would like to imagine them.
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