KhrysRT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.
dallo@Khrys
Since I read that systemd is going to include slop, a lot of them is concerned
@Khrys
Btw if you didn't see it yet, there is a list of projects that pledged not to use AI or are disrupting it https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html
Btw if you didn't see it yet, there is a list of projects that pledged not to use AI or are disrupting it https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html
Dan Hatton
GoodNewsGreyShoes🔞(on hiatus)Still blows me away that *thirty years* of pushback hasn't been enough to convince the community maintaining GIMP that naming their software after a common ableist slur - for no good reason - was a bad idea that severely hampers its growth, engagement, & accessibility, not only back then, but even now & ever onward.😮💨
I hate that the discomfort of admitting they were wrong matters more than the pain their choice caus[ed/es].😞
@GoodNewsGreyShoes @dallo @Khrys
Must confess I wasn't aware of the term as an ableist slur - I thought the list compilers were just bashful about its BDSM meaning.
Alexia 
@only_ohm @dallo @Khrys Totally fair! We all have to learn before we can know - no one is born with it, or should be blamed for not being given it.😉
What bothers me (as in this case) is when people learn something that ought to change how they act & think - as a result of their stated values - but choose instead to ignore, avoid, or justify their way around earnest acknowledgment & reconciliation.🫠
@only_ohm @GoodNewsGreyShoes @Khrys same here. learned something
> A person who is lame due to a crippling of the legs or feet.
@GoodNewsGreyShoes @Khrys @dallo
Looks like the Concise Oxford English Dictionary has that definition starting with the 8th (1990) edition, but doesn't label it as derogatory until the 10th (1999) edition. Somewhat oddly, the 7th (1982) edition has a definition of "gimp" as "courage".
(There are digitized copies of all those editions on <archive.org>.)
zbrown@only_ohm @GoodNewsGreyShoes @dallo @Khrys and in fairness I've never seen anything to contradict the oft stated origins in Pulp Fiction, so it wasn't ‘named for’ in that sense, I'm also really not sure how common the word is, nevertheless it is ridiculous that the name persists, it's just not a good name and many people have perfectly reasonable objections, time to move on.
@zbrown @only_ohm @dallo @Khrys
> "...it is ridiculous that the name persists, it's just not a good name and many people have perfectly reasonable objections, time to move on."
Absolutely nailed it.👌💯
There is nothing uniquely special about the name "GNU Image Manipulation Program" that makes it necessary or irreplaceable.
It could just as easily be called "Visual Media Adjustment Tool", or "FLOSS Resource for Altering Image Files".🫤
@GoodNewsGreyShoes @zbrown @only_ohm @Khrys To talk to librist we have to use the right template. Here we go:
> I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as GIMP, is in fact, GNU Image Manipulation Program, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU+IMP or GnuIMP.
@GoodNewsGreyShoes @zbrown @only_ohm @Khrys In fact, we are not the first to call it GnuIMP online. I would be glad if it catch on.
(sorry, I'm really not sure what you mean re. libRIST templates...😬)
How does your choice to refer to the software as "GnuIMP" affect the derogatory nature of its truncation?
@GoodNewsGreyShoes that was mostly a humor answer made with a classic libre copypasta
Libriste is a french word for libre software user, I thought that it was used in english too. It seems not. English is not my main language.
GnuIMP could be a consensual mid-ground between the truly problematic GIMP term and the will of the authors.
@dallo Ah! Got it!👍
Tyvm for the clarification, I haven't heard libriste used in that context but it could easily be common parlance for others.🙏😅
@GoodNewsGreyShoes I think I am just wrong lol
@zbrown @only_ohm @dallo @Khrys I have no reason to doubt that the software was originally named as a reference to the BDSM scene in Pulp Fiction. Makes sense & seems plausible, to me!👍
My claim that the software was named *after* the slur was simply an awkwardly-worded attempt to indicate that 'gimp' had been used as an insult in the US for many, many years before the software or Pulp Fiction existed.
Ex: https://dare.wisc.edu/surveys/survey-results/1965-1970/health-and-disease/bb1/
Helga
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