Randahl FinkMar 8

Just what the climate needed — setting Tehran's oil storage facilities on fire.

I am standing in my kitchen, sorting the trash into four different containers, because my country wants the planet to survive; meanwhile Trump and Putin have decided that the planet will not be needed after they are gone.

Show threadKarl Heinz HäsliprinzMar 9
@randahl All that oil was going to be burned either way. Doesn't change the amount of CO2 if ot burns open or in an engine.
The attacks on the production facilities (refineries, pumps) on the other hand are probably the single most effective climate action ever.
Show threadobscurestarMar 9

@KarlHeinzHasliP @randahl Well axshually, it does.

Burning the refined product under compression is much cleaner than a black smokey partial-burn mess like this. It's much worse.

Show threadKarl Heinz HäsliprinzMar 9
@obscurestar @randahl I explicitly talked about the climate effect / CO2. It's temporarily worse for local air pollution, after a few weeks when the particles settled, no difference.
The mass balance on atmospheric vs. bound carbon is as good as identical.
Show threadobscurestar

@KarlHeinzHasliP @randahl Weird, I thought I handled your dumb whataboutism, but I guess not.

Simply put, distribution matters more than a total. You're saying that falling off a bicycle and being shot are the same. The concentration of energy matters.

The plumes from this fire are throwing that stuff into the stratosphere where it will ionize and become greenhouse gas more readily than a slow release at ground level that can be somewhat absorbed.

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Show threadKarl Heinz Häsliprinz6d ago
@obscurestar You need to work on your reading and climate science. CO2 is for centauries, black carbon for weeks. Black carbon has a warming effect in lower atmosphere and a cooling effect in high atmosphere. My post is explicitly about CO2. CO2 is the relevant greenhouse gas for climate (i.e. the average over multiple years), black carbon and even ionized SO4 only have short term effects that wear off after a year or two. Distribution is entirely irrelevant for long term climate effects (and yes, climate is by definition long term). Maybe your confusing climate effect with Ozon layer effect? There has been a lot of propaganda out there conflating the two.
Show threadobscurestar5d ago

@KarlHeinzHasliP Yeah, you're right. I'm not trying to downplay the damage by saying, "Oh, only in this ONE global metric it's exactly the same, ignore the rest."

A spike of that size can long term damage the local eco systems. It's far worse of the people there than the amortized global cost.

Are you just trying to say, 'fuck em, whatever happens locally has no consequence for meeeee!', because that's what it sounds like.

Go support Trump on someone else's feed.

Show threadKarl Heinz Häsliprinz5d ago
@obscurestar ... you've chosen to put this into your own feed by playing reply guy and whatabouting about local effects in a thread about climate effects... So go ahead and hit the block button yourself if that makes you feel better.
Else, rest assured, I wish death to America and its Epstein class oiligarchs as much as the Iranians.
It's just that... All oil burning is contributing to the atmospheric weapon of mass destruction, there is no such thing as clean fossil fuels, and never will be. Pretending it's only bad for climate when somebody you don't like is responsible and the immediate side effects are visible and then pivoting to the (also fairly universal, whenever things go wrong in the industry) terrible toxic effects of fossil burning on locals normalizes the continued everyday fossil fuel madness. Multiple things can be bad at the same time and this persona of mine supports clarity on why something is bad. And while war usually is very bad for the climate this one might be a net positive on that front, assuming the pumps and refineries destroyed across the region are not rebuilt immediately & the ultra fossil fuel dependend US military gear proves to be useless for winning... Who knows, maybe the dying empire does pivot to electrowarfare eventually. Unfortunately the time has passed where peaceful and democratic deconstruction of fossil infrastructure was a viable way to climate stability.