MathiasTCKMar 9
Marcin Wichary

Ugh, Tahoe is so unpolished that if you press on any menu like this the pop-up contents that appear are misaligned…

…which doesn’t seem like much until you realize that if you click at the bottom, a click and release *without moving your mouse*, which was always 100% safe (and a way to “peek” into a menu to see what’s inside), can now accidentally change your option.

Mar 4 at 3:32amWeb
Show threadMarcin WicharyMar 4
I was bothered by it and wrote more about it: https://unsung.aresluna.org/not-a-mountain-but-not-a-molehill-either/
Not a mountain – but not a molehill, either – Unsung

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Show threadMarcin WicharyMar 4
The irony is that I discovered it while working on another piece that criticizes Apple.
Show threadJulius WelbyMar 6
@mwichary Do you think the OS is doing sentiment analysis, and the more negative you get about Apple in a document the more the UI degrades?
Show threadcliffleMar 4

@mwichary I'm a little surprised to note that your Sequoia screencap shows that the text jumps a few pixels to the right when the menu is opened.

One of the things that struck me about MacOS back when I used to develop apps for it was the degree of consistency in things like that, and in particular, the fact that the text did not jump _at all_ in cases like this. (This would be up through approximately Snow Leopard.)

So it seems things were already starting to slip by the time Sequoia came out.

Show threadMarcin WicharyMar 4
@cliffle Yeah… I noticed that too. I just didn’t want to dilute the story too much. Plus, it seems specific to this one in particular – other ones still feel more stable. In Tahoe, they are all misaligned.
Show threadsayrerMar 4
@mwichary my friends call it a "Tahoe Dunk". Like what crappy thing did they do now? They had the best desktop OS ever (OS9), and it did need a good Unix underpinning.
Show threadAral BalkanMar 4
@mwichary But we have Liquid Ass so… 🤷‍♂️
Show threadAral BalkanMar 4
@mwichary At least they’re not forcing people to upgrade by withholding security upgrades like on iOS.
Show threadAral BalkanMar 4
@mwichary (Small mercies.)
Show threadgabboman the wafrn devMar 4

I moved to asahi on my m1.

Tahoe doesn’t have “it”

Show threadAral BalkanMar 4
@gabboman How’s your experience going?
Show threadgabboman the wafrn devMar 4

Im using the arch version and its going great.

I dont have video acceleration and its only a problem for streaming games from my gaming pc.

But it has improved a lot. And gaming is possible with some tweaking (x87 reduced precision launch option)


#In-fact #gaming-on-asahi-is-better-than-gaming-on-macos
Show threadNiki TonskyMar 4
@mwichary one day I’ll write an article about how in older Mac OSes dropdown labels used to stay in place when popup opened, pixel for pixel. It hasn’t been the case for Mac OS X, I don’t think, but it was still close. Tahoe is on another level for sure
Show threadMarcin WicharyMar 4

@nikitonsky Yeah, I was thinking of including this too! But then it’d be too long of a post ha

Web in particular makes one miss very aligned things.

Show threadNiki TonskyMar 4
@mwichary they were even brave enough to leave extra space on the left when popup was closed to match label location when it was open and needed padding on the left for the checkmark. It was that important
Show threadJonathan DallasMar 9
@nikitonsky @mwichary It was previously in macOS. When I worked on iCloud.com we saw this behavior for native selects in macOS and implemented it on the web. Not sure if the web version has survived the various org changes but it did exist maybe 5 years ago on both macOS and the Apple web apps.
Show threadnSonicMar 4
@mwichary @teilweise MacOS / OS-X once had so many subtle very well and fine designed solutions. Some of them you don’t even realize until they stop functioning. Like this one. Or moving from an item in a menu to one in its submenu. … I swear: who ever is in charge at Apple for deciding and/or coding macOS in the last few years has NEVER really used a Mac before or learned about its history. It’s SO SAD!
Show threadMichel FortinMar 4

@mwichary Clicking at the bottom and having another item automatically selected is an old problem. But at least in macOS High Sierra (illustrated here) the label in the menu was properly aligned with the one in the popup button.

If I remember correctly, the misalignment started at the same time they removed the cool "shrink to button" animation when closing the menu… one or two macOS releases later I believe.

It's been a slow erosion in user experience.

Show threadMarcin WicharyMar 4

@michelf Oh, interesting. I tried it in Seqouia and couldn’t immediately reproduce – maybe didn’t try hard enough or maybe it goes in and out for them.

Either way, I do think it’s the worst it has ever been in Tahoe.

Show threadWolfrMar 5
@mwichary it’s a bit sad I have no incentive to update to the latest version of macOS
Show threadMarcin WicharyMar 5
@wolfr Yeah, I’m particularly annoyed because I want the new laptop, too. I only have Tahoe on my secondary machine now.