Jay KuoThis is spot on. If you feel you have no choice but to ratify a war once it’s begun, then you have no real power to begin with.
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Simplicator@jaykuo This goes to how trying to pass a #WarPowersAct resolution was a very bad idea. The war was already unconstitutional as well as illegal under the (dubious) terms of the WPA, By proposing a resolution, it made it seem like it took a proactive act of Congress to make what Trump was already doing illegal.
@jaykuo Then when it failed to pass, it made it seem like Trump did nothing wrong.
@jaykuo The actual response is #impeachment.
Even a failed impeachment vote would show that Democrats find the Trump regime’s murderous lawlessness unacceptable & worthy of removal from office, plus politically it would make Republicans own this disastrous war.
Even a failed impeachment vote would show that Democrats find the Trump regime’s murderous lawlessness unacceptable & worthy of removal from office, plus politically it would make Republicans own this disastrous war.
@jaykuo Not impeaching shows that Democrats ultimately see what Trump does as acceptable to them.
bouriquet@Simplicator Not exactly when there’s not enough votes in the House to impeach!
Daniel M. Reck@bouriquet @Simplicator Right now 214 Democrats serve among the 435 representatives in #Congress, so they would need just 4 of the 218 Republicans to follow their oaths to protect the #USA #Constitution and #impeach the president.
There are, of course, not 4 GOP members who are more loyal to the Constitution than they are loyal to Trump and their own power.
Make sure you're registered to #vote. Make sure there are Dems running in every race. Elect them. #democracy
@DanielMReck @bouriquet Force the vote anyway
If you think I’m withholding votes from Democrats or discouraging people from voting for them just by speaking to this reality, you need to reassess your premises.
If you think I’m withholding votes from Democrats or discouraging people from voting for them just by speaking to this reality, you need to reassess your premises.
@DanielMReck @bouriquet “Clap louder” wannabe campaign consultant commentary is part of what got us here.
@Simplicator The alternative to an election is a revolution. That is, walk away from our #Constitution and our #democracy and declare a new government.
That will be a very bloody affair because once you abandon our constitution, you abandon the foundation of all #law in our civil society. Your money will mean nothing, so no food, no energy. It will be anarchy and chaos.
Millions and millions will die.
@Simplicator Sure, we could have a peaceful constitutional convention to create a new constitution. But there are 76+ million people who voted for this president having witnessed his long campaign to undo our #democracy by violent and cruel means, so it seems unlikely they would just shake hands on a new national order without some of them resorting to violence.
@DanielMReck @Simplicator Maybe it’s time for them to go out on their own.
The current USA is a federation of sovereign states. Just weaken that to a framework and let the sovereign states form cooperative groups among themselves like a common market etc. State laws prevail. Durmp SCOTUS since it’s tainted.
It won’t be easy and won’t happen overnight but it seems to be a solution to the problems we have faced since the 2000 election.
Let states tax the billionaires!
The current USA is a federation of sovereign states. Just weaken that to a framework and let the sovereign states form cooperative groups among themselves like a common market etc. State laws prevail. Durmp SCOTUS since it’s tainted.
It won’t be easy and won’t happen overnight but it seems to be a solution to the problems we have faced since the 2000 election.
Let states tax the billionaires!
@DanielMReck @Simplicator You’re an optimist stuck inside the box.
That’s exactly how MAGA has conned us over and the last decade into letting them cheat their way into power.
What makes you think there will be a ballot box in 2028? One accessible to all?
That’s exactly how MAGA has conned us over and the last decade into letting them cheat their way into power.
What makes you think there will be a ballot box in 2028? One accessible to all?
@bouriquet Why wait to 2028? I'm voting this month in a congressional primary along with a slew of other local elections. Come November, I'm voting in the general election.
Am I concerned that the federal executive is trying to undermine elections? Of course. But elections are run by the states, and I have faith in mine.
I'm not going to help the bad guys out by preemptimately dismantling our democracy. If they want to break it, they have to do the work.
@DanielMReck @Simplicator Yes, we can of course hope and try by voting, but cannot rely on that as a guarantee anymore.
People in Russia also have elections and they get to vote….but.
Trust nothing. The other side doesn’t follow rules or rule of law.
Best of luck to us all.
Expect the unexpected.
People in Russia also have elections and they get to vote….but.
Trust nothing. The other side doesn’t follow rules or rule of law.
Best of luck to us all.
Expect the unexpected.
@bouriquet @Simplicator Even if the House did manage to #impeach the president, the 45 Democrats and two independents in the #USA #Senate would need 19 of the 53 Republicans to join them in voting for conviction and removal.
The GOP senators are about as obsequious as their colleagues in the House, debasing themselves at Trump's feet and sacrificing their children and ours to eeke a little more power and wealth for themselves.
But #democracy gives them power only as long as we elect them.
UncleRico@Simplicator @jaykuo No it didn’t. Failed logic.
Dagnabbit, Pascaline! 💥Absolutely spot on!
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What is the point of saying "one of our colleagues" and not calling them out by name? Let their constituents know that they have no representation. They probably won't care, but hiding their identity doesn't help anything.
What is the point of saying "one of our colleagues" and not calling them out by name? Let their constituents know that they have no representation. They probably won't care, but hiding their identity doesn't help anything.