For all the Proton fans
@skinnylatte I jumped off of them for unrelated reasons. This just reinforces my decision.
@serebit @skinnylatte unless you’re planning on self hosting there is literally no other email service you could jump to that hasn’t done the same thing.
@k3ym0 @skinnylatte I mean yeah, but I'll put it this way: Proton sells its service on how unbelievably private it is and how they'd never give away your identity. When they turn around and do it, it stings far more than another company who never made those promises doing the same. Kinda like Target and DEI: it was a complete 180 from the way they'd sold their brand.

@serebit @skinnylatte what got him was paying for his “anonymous” account with his Platinum Visa like a normie buying socks on Amazon.

Proton handed over the payment identifier, Swiss authorities passed it to the FBI, and suddenly your anonymity has a name on it.

if you’re not paying with Monero or cash, you don’t have an anonymous email. you have encrypted email with a billing address. those are very different things.

@k3ym0 @serebit @skinnylatte

This really should be front and centre of the discussion. They complied with a valid Swiss court order, as stated on their ToS.

The account holders opsec is the issue if they required full anonymity (possible? Another discussion).

This whole thing is the same as the statement "Your VPN provider won't go to jail for your $5".

If they were served with an administrative warrant from an out of jurisdiction LEA and complied, then WAY more to be upset over.

@chroma0 @k3ym0 @serebit @skinnylatte The out of jurisdiction LEAs will just go via a Swiss judge and they have to comply. The question is why they're logging IP addresses etc.