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Coyote of Winter@gedvondur @Tutanota I've been on the fence the last 24hrs about it. It's not a clear Google-level evil action, but the tension I'm seeing in how they're handling it in public and the difference in priorities of the board & CEO leave me in a place of uncertainty about their long term values. I'm not in a threat vector to be at risk, but I do have a choice in where I throw my money. The Tuta crew have been much more clear and consistent about their values, so it feels like the right move for me at this point.
((( Geekosaurus )))
Ben Stokman@tomasino @gedvondur @Tutanota oh my god they complied with a legal order from the Swiss court. Tuta would have done the same. Go read the threat model https://proton.me/blog/protonmail-threat-model
Johan Moir (Mastodon)@tomasino @gedvondur @Tutanota what you wrote now is one of the reasons Im leaning towards Tuta. I don't get a 100% vibe from Proton, and Im thinking "whats actually stopping them for enshittifying it" and then Im "stuck" paying money to another system that started good but turns shitty with time.
Alexandre 
@gedvondur I guess so. I don’t see how a company can legally circumvent a court ruling.
@tomasino @Tutanota
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Mario Torre@alelab @gedvondur @tomasino @Tutanota The irony seems to be that using the free account provides more protection.
Oleksii@gedvondur @tomasino @Tutanota I guess the fact that their CEO is Trump supporter is still echoing around internet. They try to silence it down, and probably tought him to keep his opinions to himself, but damage already was done.
@gedvondur @oleksify @tomasino @Tutanota To be fair, he didn’t endorse Trump, he commented on the nomination of Gail Slater for the DoJ antitrust division. I don’t know enough about Slater but from a cursory look it doesn’t seem like a controversial nomination, so I think some context around what actually was said may be important here (that said, I fully endorse Tuta! I only wish they had a VPN and Authenticator app too!)
Maya@MarioTorre @gedvondur @oleksify @tomasino @Tutanota He did endorse the Republican party though: https://archive.ph/quYyb
The same political statement was repeated by official channels multiple times: https://archive.ph/LlbSj
In his original tweet, also seen in the above link, he also praised Trump for this pick, despite Gail previously working for a big tech lobbying group that fought against privacy rights: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/s/1TLRffxABM , while criticizing democrats for that very thing in the official statement
He later stated "[I] apologize if this triggered some people", which is verbiage typically associated with conservative bubbles: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/s/h6r8PcQmVJ (later edited, as pointed out below)
I also find it interesting that his Reddit username is /u/andy1011000, the binary number being equivalent to 88
This all can be interpreted in a number of ways. But personally it makes me feel a bit iffy about supporting his company.
ice40 🐻❄️@MarioTorre
When it comes to Authenticator/Password Manager, you should rely on offline solutions like Aegis and KeepassXC and synchronize it yourself to be extra sure, that your data only belongs to you. I like the setup of Keepass and Syncthing to synchronize between devices.
When it comes to Authenticator/Password Manager, you should rely on offline solutions like Aegis and KeepassXC and synchronize it yourself to be extra sure, that your data only belongs to you. I like the setup of Keepass and Syncthing to synchronize between devices.
@ice40 FreeOTP is the “golden standard” for Authenticators I think
Michał Narecki
Darkstar@realgnomidad @tomasino In case you'd like some more info, here's a guide we have on Tuta for small businesses: https://tuta.com/blog/small-business-email-address
DigitalDigger
dustinbucher@dustinbucher @Tutanota i questioned my choice based on their recent FBI data sharing, but ultimately it was a question of how they handled the situation and the values of the leadership.
janus_k@tomasino @Tutanota Well done. Proton is complete garbage in my opinion, and I feel they can't be trusted with your personal data. I was using their VPN for a while and out of nowhere, I started getting very specific targeted ads. I can't prove it, but I think the VPN client logs and sends your browing history to all sort of third parties.
Elle@janus_k @tomasino @Tutanota before making such claims please make sure that you're not leaking your info in myriad other ways. VPNs are useful in certain situations, but they offer little privacy overall. I can still track your cookies, fingerprint you, etc. And if you log into your accounts while using VPN, it doesn't matter that I don't have your real location.
@janus_k @tomasino @Tutanota Apologies, didn't mean to come off as condescending. Still, I'd implore you to dive deeper into the issue, reach out to support for a comment. Personally I never experienced that, but I also delete cookies and history upon exit, which is a good practise regardless of your trust in a provider. That being said, I'm not shilling for Proton – I use many services, Mullvad and Tuta included (one of my faves tbh), but I'm wary of starting conspiracies or spreading misinformation.
@hostia @tomasino @Tutanota That's how I have the browsers set up. Cookies gone right after closure, all opt-in privacy features on, a good (non Proton) VPN with open source clients to handle the connection, no Google as search engine and no Chrome either. Sure... you need to believe me, an anonymous user, in my experience. But you also need to believe Proton, because they offer exactly zero guarantee of not leaking your data, save for their word.
In general, I don't trust the large VPNs... because there's always the risk that they've been making cash in other ways than providing a tunnel.
ohir@tomasino @janus_k @gedvondur
> I get that Tutanota is in a different country
Yes, it is an EU company, so any European country can demand your billing data and Germany;'s business must yield. Otherwise their owners risk up to 5y in jail.
https://www.buzer.de/258_StGB.htm
Proton is estabilished in Switzerland, and every country that has bilateral invetigative powers assistance agreement with Switzerland can ask for assistance, it usually is a lenghty process but eventually it'll succeed. In the hype case I saw my opinion is that FBI going after someone just lied to Swiss authorities about the probable cause (some "imminent threat" cases are processed fast there, and the lawless US administration exploited this path).
The sadest thing in this hyped thread is to see so many people conflating encryption with anonymity.
MedElhadi
Sassinake!@tomasino @Tutanota https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota/116181403828547972
every app is struggling, when tech companies are more powerful than most countries
Lifted Lorax@LiftedLorax @Tutanota the practicals of it were simple. Exporting calendar, and emails. Importing on the other side. Migrating DNS wasn't difficult either. Just remember to remove those domains from proton after sending and delivery is working on the new side, otherwise you'll get daily panic notices from proton.
Contacts doesn't have an export on the proton side, but tuta has an import via their mobile app which got everything I needed. I ran a contact merge after that to clean things up and it just took a few minutes.
Cancelling your plan with proton will require an email to their team as there's no web option. That took me 3 messages total. The first got a reply with their same PR talking points about the recent FBI compliance event. Then i had to tell them I wanted to proceed twice more before they did it.
Chad McCullough
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