just adrienneMar 5
So if you're using Proton thinking it's "privacy-focused", it turns out they're giving data to the Feebs now. https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
Proton Mail Helped FBI Unmask Anonymous ‘Stop Cop City’ Protester

A court record reviewed by 404 Media shows privacy-focused email provider Proton Mail handed over payment data related to a Stop Cop City email account to the Swiss government, which handed it to the FBI.

404 Media
Show threadEva
@adrienne fuuuuu....
What is the alternative? Just roll my own? Fucking hell...
Mar 5 at 9:18pmWeb
Show threadWeraweltMar 5
@smolbrain @adrienne
Maybe #Deltachat
@deltachat is in Fediverse and here is the homepage:
https://delta.chat
And if you want, you can use your own server.
Delta Chat: Delta Chat, decentralized secure messenger

Delta Chat is a decentralized and secure messenger app 💬 Reliable instant messaging with multi-profile and multi-device support ⚡️ Sign up to secure and interoperable chatmail relays 🥳 Interactive ...

Show threadEvaMar 5
@werawelt
Thats a messaging app
Email unfortunately is still needed for too many services. Unless this also supports a mail server? @adrienne
Show threadWeraweltMar 5
@smolbrain
It base on email-protocol
https://delta.chat/de/help#kann-ich-eine-klassische-e-mail-adresse-mit-delta-chat-verwenden ( please choose the english language on the homepage)
@adrienne
Delta Chat: FAQ

Was ist Delta Chat? Delta Chat ist eine zuverlässige, dezentralisierte und sichere Instant-Messaging-App, verfügbar für Mobile- und Desktop-Plattformen. Einfache Erstellung von privaten Chat-Profil...

Show threadjust adrienneMar 6
@smolbrain @werawelt I"m not an infosec/privacy person but i'm asking folks who are what they are recommending.
Show threadEvaMar 6
@adrienne Goodluck. Proton *was* my infosec move. Im back to a bit of square zero again. Ive been working on too many oth3r things to solve this one right now. Ill love to hear whatever you find. @werawelt
Show threadjust adrienneMar 6
@smolbrain @werawelt it sounds like if you're not paying them with a credit card there's nothing they can give up on you, at the very least. pay them in cash, i guess?
Show threadjust adrienneMar 6
@smolbrain @werawelt i don't know anything about Posteo but apparently they might be good? https://furry.engineer/@ysegrim/116181161858800673
Ysegrim (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] While Posteo.de stores your payment details (they have to), they do not connect it to your account. The only information connected to your account is _that_ you paid. Meaning, while they already straight out reject a third of their requests for formal incorrectness (and file complaints), last year they never provided any user/payment data because they straight up do not store it. https://posteo.de/en/site/transparency_report

Furry.Engineer - Duct tape, hotfixes, and poor soldering!
Show threadWeraweltMar 5
@smolbrain
Maybe an other alternative for a classic and secure provider is mailbox.org . You can encrypt your entire mailbox there, including incoming emails automatically. If necessary, you can keep the private key yourself.
https://kb.mailbox.org/en/en/business/encryption/the-encrypted-mailbox-encrypt-incoming-emails/
mailbox.org is in the fediverse: @mailbox_org
and here is the homepage:
https://mailbox.org
@adrienne
The encrypted mailbox – Encrypt incoming emails | Knowledge Base: Knowledge and help | mailbox

Activating Mailbox Encryption

Show threadColorado Springs Anti-FascistsMar 6

@werawelt @smolbrain @mailbox_org @adrienne Mailbox has the same vulnerability. It's a legal, above board operation and will also respond to court orders to hand over metadata they have for the account.

The solution is not to trust any of these companies if you need anonymity. Pay them with cash instead of a credit card, don't setup a recovery phone number, and always use a good vpn or Tor to connect. They can't hand over what they don't have.

Show threadColorado Springs Anti-FascistsMar 5
@smolbrain @adrienne don't give proton your credit card number. That's how the subject was identified and why proton offers cash and crypto payment options.
Show threadEvaMar 6
@COSAntiFascists @adrienne I wish cash were more reliable to send or crypto less ... erratic and more trustworthy a financial method. *sigh* not like debit / credit cards are more than 1% ish better...
Show threadColorado Springs Anti-FascistsMar 6
@smolbrain @adrienne we haven't had any issues mailing cash for these sorts of service for what it's worth.
Show threadjust adrienneMar 6
@smolbrain i don't know anything about Posteo but apparently they firewall your account data away from your payment data somehow? https://furry.engineer/@ysegrim/116181161858800673
Ysegrim (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] While Posteo.de stores your payment details (they have to), they do not connect it to your account. The only information connected to your account is _that_ you paid. Meaning, while they already straight out reject a third of their requests for formal incorrectness (and file complaints), last year they never provided any user/payment data because they straight up do not store it. https://posteo.de/en/site/transparency_report

Furry.Engineer - Duct tape, hotfixes, and poor soldering!