RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/116172859777439787

“I didn’t put my nose to [the comparable PC laptop], but I wouldn’t be surprised if it smells bad.”

@marcoarment Yeah, that's a pretty good quote. 😁
Macintosh LC, Classic launched - Sydney Morning Herald October 22, 1990

I should cc @siracusa on this probably
@siracusa LOL the 12" Trinitron is not a million miles away from a 5K XDR, as long-bow analogies go?

@atpfm https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxK3oaR6fECfp2kPvAK0f4jlmOWCdfXXaR

Those hype reels have come a million miles …

but the conclusion is the same in 2026 — and if you can explain the difference, you can explain the history of computing

✂️ Macintoshes are more affordable than ever

34 seconds · Clipped by whophd · Original video "1990 Apple Computer Promo Video - Macintosh Classic, LC and IIsi" by Alfred DiBlasi

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@whophd that was my high school machine and early uni machine.

@juliansgamble Which one? I lusted after the IIsi because of the soft-power ability that we all take for granted now, even though the LC felt spiritually correct for me (and had the IIe Card)

But the shame of it was, even the Mac Classic was more expensive than a souped-up Apple IIGS with all its 4,096 colors

The competition from Wintel clones — especially beige boxes — was especially fierce in the early 1990s. People forget how incredibly cheap it was to buy a 486SX in the Windows 3.1 era compared to the cheapest color Mac, and that’s after the new Mac LC and IIsi came out

For the price of a Mac Classic, you could get a minitower 486SX/33 with 1MB RAM, 250 MB hard disk, both types of High Density floppy drives, and a video card that could do “millions” at 800x600 or 1024x768i (interlaced yeah), with a 14” monitor … shadow mask CRT but still, you could drive 800x600 SVGA at 85 hertz. Multisync for the masses!

(And then I discovered OS/2 and had to scrounge around for a “professional” amount of RAM, like 4 MB … the kids today are talking about RAM like they’re Gollum, but they have no idea)

@juliansgamble Australia was selling 386, 486 and early Pentium beige box towers and mini-towers from a set of bodega-style shops that had spawned out of nowhere in the suburbs, either in less expensive retail along roadside strips, or tucked away in suburbs that used to have real bodegas or “corner shops” that once sold newspapers, lollies (chocolate drops, 1¢ each) and if you’re lucky, a chest freezer with Cornettos or ice blocks

This is before the era of 7/Eleven and well-lit neon signed “convenience store” franchises that had a machine making slurpees

The little computer shops were invariably unnamed, and run by a Chinese family with the minimum viable command of English to build you a PC like a Subway sandwich to order

@juliansgamble the “back rooms” of such shops remained a mystery to this day, where many mysterious PC ailments were fixed, with lord knows what mixture of sheer parts replacement — probably 99% — leaving us to wonder what kind of stash of incredible supplies they had back there

Because nobody knew where it all came from. Brands? No. Standards? Maybe, “you tell me” if you’re so clever. “If it doesn’t work, bring it back”, and sure enough, they replaced the meat in your sub sandwich until it was fine.

Occasionally an Aussie, with neither technical background nor an ability to communicate with people speaking English as a second language, would walk in the door — aware of very little, except that they needed their first computer, and they needed to come here to save money.

Unfortunately they would still carry the old-world assumption that a “retailer” was not just a sales rep but also a source of advice. Maybe they’d try to negotiate for a discount — the learning curve was too steep to climb — or more often, they’d come armed with a bunch of questions about “all these computers” and if they should get Windows.

They’d usually be happy when they understood Windows was just added for free — the first form of “activation” was not until Windows 95 — but if they wanted any manuals, let alone some kind of set up tutorial, they were going to walk out annoyed.

An Apple Store, this was not.

(Or “AppleCentre”, in Australia back then).

They could even threaten to walk 5 minutes to the next one — the Chinese computer shops were everywhere — but these weren’t “salesmen” they were dealing with. None of this stuff had margins built in. What was the point of asking for a discount, if it was all bare-bones naked robotic and generic already? Everybody was getting a good price, you just had to know the industry to see that.

If you were foolish enough to turn up with a copy of PC Magazine and point to a branded PC and ask “do you have this one?”, you should just be prepared to have something with equivalent specs made up in half an hour for a third of the price. It won’t look anything like the one in your photo of course. But you can have a different keyboard with differently bizarre shades of beige if you’re not happy?

(Apple was the lone wolf making keyboards that chose one color for every key … somehow. The list of trends that Apple birthed or stopped might never be completely written).

It may have been 30 years before most people said the word “Temu”, but for sure they were doing the same exact type of unbranded factory shipping.

Except there was no internet. It must have been phone calls to family back in China, right?

@whophd
I had an LC II.
The Rocks Computer market retained that reputation up until the early 2000s - earned or not.
A Tiawanese guy in my high school had a Dad who made his living importing RAM, and seemed to pay the bills effectively.
@marcoarment and just like that I cancelled my membership and stopped listening to your podcast. you're grosser than he is thinking this is cool.
@thestopbutton LOL, okay, farewell
@marcoarment you’re a really cool millionaire. You’re making fun of people who can’t afford what you do. Eat shit.
@thestopbutton @marcoarment the comparable windows laptop does cost the same as this new MacBook - so now Macs are more affordable than ever & PC makers will be forced to up their game to compete so Marco is only laughing at lazy and unambitious makers of disposable cruddy laptops?

@thestopbutton @marcoarment where exactly did anyone make fun of anyone? Someone commented on the shitty quality of bargain-basement PC-laptops, and that’s “making fun of people who can’t afford what you do”?

You seem exhausting.

@thestopbutton That’s just reading something into it that wasn’t said. Please get a life.
@Lenora256 🖕 at least snitch tag him when you’re gonna stick your nose up his ass
@thestopbutton you truly are an unpleasant individual.
@Lenora256 🖕thanks for the character assessment 🖕
@marcoarment okay all jokes aside, Dell does use some kind of weird chemical that consistently off gases to smell very mildewy when the fan ramps up. I've seen it across multiple laptop platforms and versions at this point. Given Intel thermals these days, plus Dell's general corner cutting, you smell it a lot.