Lots of exciting #decentralization protocols and technology out there. Some are not ready for usage, others are not following the paradigm I prefer, I love that we're spoiled for choice.
IMO I still love #SecureScuttlebutt, for me it is still the best offline-first local-first gossip protocol out there. Yes, it has dangerous corners and design issues, but it works and I can build apps with it for my friends.
@cy
> What was that non-blockchain network... Briar I think?
Briar is a neat experiment, but they've never shipped apps for anything but Android. The problem with depending on one proprietary OS ought to be obvious, Goggle's recent decision to start farming Android app devs is a good example;
So until it's cross-platform, Briar is a fun toy, but not suitable for production use.
@cy
> Dunno what one would be good though
Depends on your use case/ threat model. Ask yourself questions like; who do I want to communicate with and why? Are you looking for software for an existing group/ network of people who can make and action decisions about where to communicate? Are you wanting to adopt an app to make new contacts among its current network? How sensitive are the communications? Etc, etc.
@soapdog
> the fediverse is indeed cool, but it is not the p2p I aim for
Pure P2P networks have been the holy grail of every new generation of cypherpunks since the 90s. They've never worked out. Everything that's turned out to be practical for use beyond dogfooding has some kind of supernode, and that's not even a bad thing;
https://bridgeseat.substack.com/p/in-defence-of-servers
> It is very costly to run an instance in terms of bandwidth
If you use Mastodon, sure. There are much more efficient fediverse servers.
@serapath
> dat works now. ppl keep ignoring it
Why do you think that is? Maybe it's because the early adopters who've tried developing on it, or testing DAT apps, found it impractical to use in production, as with FreeNet, BitMessage, Tox, Jami, HoloChain, etc, etc?
But OK, let's say it just hasn't had fair shakes. What DAT-based app(s) do you recommend I try? Happy to install from F-Droid or any GNU/Linux method that doesn't make me cry and want to eat my laptop ; )
dat exists for 13+ years and has plenty of apps build on top of it. e.g. https://cabal.chat https://keet.io https://holesail.io https://maps.mapeo.app https://sher.fm
https://agregore.mauve.moe
...list goes on. there are dozens listed in https://dat-ecosystem org and those are anyway just the tip of the icerberg.
it totally hasnt had its fair shake in some circles imho
try all the above if yoy want.
also, all the alternatives you mentioned are toys compared to dat. it might sound harsh, but imho none of the above has the performance to build alternatives to popular mainstream apps.
yeah, i know its a mouthful, but imho existing dat apps prove it compared to others.
leading the pack is of course `keet` (which has a proprietary UI) ...but just to get an impression i can still recommend to at least try it - and then delete it again
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