「黃家駒 Wong Ka Kui」 | (aka: 鳳凰院 凶真 Hououin Kyouma)It would be so interesting if humans didn't have a gender assigned at birth and could choose who they want to be.
yesmanThat’s pretty much how it already works. It’s just that the pressure to make the “correct” choice is fucking crazy.
LuciFor all of us we didn’t know there was a choice, we were all infants at the time. We were still figuring out which amorphous blob gives us the milk.
This is why others decide on sex for us through observation, that much is sensible enough. But we’re discovering more and more that this is an imperfect system and that more often than we realized the answer is not straight forward.
definitely_AILike, for 99.9% of humanity? How common is it to question your gender? For the vast majority of humanity the question doesn’t come up just like the questions “are my legs fake” doesn’t come up. Surely those people are also ok to be fine with whatever? It’s ok to be man or woman and be heterosexual, too, right? Just checking.
This is a straight up childish answer. It’s basically “boooo! you dumb!”, what is that? Are you incapable of having a civil argument or do you simply refuse to have one?
To say that transgenderism is a choice is to argue that it’s not a result of anomalous brain development, and is instead an ordinary delusion, no different than believing you’re Jesus Christ. Which implies than gender-affirming care is harmful.
I suspect that’s not what you meant.
Why would someone not be able to choose their gender. Gender is a social construct. Of course people can choose. People can choose to be gay too, if they want. People have free will, don’t they?
People can choose to be gay too, if they want.
If homosexuality were a choice, I’d make it.
Literally nothing is stopping you.
It’s just that the pressure to make the “correct” choice is fucking crazy.
I feel pressured to only ever present as a cisgendered heterosexual person regardless of whether that’s correct or not. The pressure is for LGBTQ+ people to simply disappear from public society. Correct has nothing to do with it.
TrackinDaKrakenWith only 1% trans, I think if we’re just willing to ACCEPT when they tell us we got it wrong, apologize and leave it at that, that would be enough.
only 1% trans,
That’s the problem. You forgot that the left wants to pump this number to the levels of 10-20% before 2050
I think you have your numbers confused. The right wants to reduce trans numbers to 0%. The left doesn’t care about increasing numbers, only treating trans people like human beings.
Everyone should be treated with kindness and respect regardless of who they are, what they look like, where they are from, and what they believe.
That does not mean that everyone has to accept whatever beliefs anybody else personally has. Everyone is free to believe what they want. That means that it is both fine to believe something about oneself, and fine not to believe what someone else believes about themselves.
I guess you’d be fine if everyone treated you as a lizard and required you to live and act like a lizard. It’s all good because you know you’re not, right?
Well, people very often treat me as something I am not. They don’t know me. I don’t know me. Being human is hard. Knowing something about oneself is a very complicated proposition. Knowing something about others is even harder. What does it mean to “know oneself”? How can I expect others to know who and what I am if I can’t be certain myself?
If people thought I was a lizard I would question their sanity, for sure. Nobody in their right mind mistakes a person for a lizard. That is just crazy.
Then can you, please, extend your respect and kindness to not indulge the actual transphobic misinformation there? As well as not stoking the flames over a single downvote? This shit is derailing the fun thread.
You accuse me of phobia. I am not phobic in the slightest. My sister is in a loving relationship with her girlfriend since ten years back, and my little brother is literally trans.
Please do not throw out frivolous accusations just because you have your ideas challenged, it is a vile practice and only outs you as dogmatic.
You accuse me of phobia.
No, I don’t. That was referring to the parent post.
You replied to me. I support equal rights and humane treatment for everyone, I simply reject the idea that your beliefs require me to surrender my own judgments about reality.
I have not been offensive in any way, you are the one resorting to accusations and emotional outbursts. If you don’t want to accept other people’s beliefs you can always just move along.
Pretty sure they’re actually a bot given that they nearly instantly reply and they’ve replied to every top-level comment in this thread.
Thanks for the heads up. That’s good to know.
chemical_cutthroatIf that means more people have a voice, then I’m all for it.
Is it possible that any of them ever got it wrong?
The amount of people who detransition is incredibly small compared to the overall trans population, and even then most people detransition because society didn’t accept them and battered them down until they gave up.
I take that as a yes, people can be wrong about themselves and who they are.
People can be wrong about literally anything. That is not an excuse to say “fuck everyone else in this group.”
If you extend this argument, we shouldn’t believe what anyone tells us about absolutely anything because they might have made a mistake. Truly a great basis for human society.
Why would you presume that questioning someone’s beliefs would mandate to treat them like shit? What a bizarre worldview. Everyone deserves to be treated with kindness and respect, whatever they believe.
But your beliefs about the world do not dictate my beliefs about the world. That is surely not a hard concept to grasp?
Because there’s an explicit bias in your questioning. You wouldn’t question if I’m really cis-hetero, but you would question of I’m reeeeeeeeally gay or trans, even thought I’m sure there are more people who come up publicly as gay after having children than there are trans detransitioning.
This is the same as the maga mentality, where any man in a position of responsibility is accepted by default, but for women they demand justification for the role.
Bruh I don’t know what that means. I don’t keep up with the nomenclature. And genuinely, you need to check your own bias before accusing others. It’s always accusations and moral condemnation. Like, I don’t care. You do you, I do me. I just try to treat people nice and leave it at that. You don’t get to dictate what I should or shouldn’t feel or think.
(huh that’s weird my comment doesn’t show up so I post it again, my bad if I double post)
Bruh I don’t even know what that means. I don’t keep up with the nomenclature. And genuinely, you need to check your own bias before accusing others. It’s always accusations and moral condemnation. Like, I don’t care. You do you, I do me. I just try to treat people nice and leave it at that. You don’t get to dictate what I should or shouldn’t feel or think.
Isn’t there an explicit bias in your statement?
Well, that’s a way to go from having a bias to just plain bigotry.
It’s funny how it always devolve into name calling and domination tactics instead of actual argument. That only proves that this is not really about gender and equality, it’s about using moral condemnation as a weapon to subjugate others. It’s very reminiscent of how fascist operate.
It’s funny how it always devolves into name calling
It’s very reminiscent of how fascists operate.
Oh the irony.
I did tell you my stunts arguments, you started whining about your speech being blocked by “us” (whatever that means), then you proceeded to confirm you don’t know basic language.
I would like to discuss, but honestly not with uninformed trolls. I see you have a pretty recent account, that+ your behavior leads me to believe you’re just avoiding the ban you rightfully earned. I’ll let you to rant a bit, will see you in your next account.
“CIS” people (whatever that means, I genuinely don’t know, I don’t keep up with ideological abbreviations)
Cis is a prefix, not an abbreviation. It is the opposite of trans. In this context it’s obviously referencing cisgender va transgender.
Cis means “this side,” trans means “the reverse side.” You see them used in chemistry, for example cis/trans-isomerism. Even Julius Caesar’s writings reference cisalpine Gaul and transalpine Gaul (the part of Gaul on this side of the Alps vs the part on the other side of the Alps)
Hope that helps you “keep up” with the English language.
Are you aware that the majority can be cis and heterosexual and also accept trans people and gay people?
Yo I don’t know, my comments are not showing up here, I hope they’re there but hope it’s not just I’ve been reported for having illegal opinions or anything, I wouldn’t think that is fair at all. Maybe it’s just the instance that is slow, I’ve had some issues before, but just wanted to let you know that I did answer your criticism but if you don’t see it then I don’t know, it’s a shame because I did spend time formulating it so I’m hoping it’s just some glitch instead of just mob mentality silencing people they disagree with or dislike. Surely people who are used to being silenced and disagreed with would have sympathy, but anyways, who knows.
People are wrong constantly about which career they’re best suited for but there isn’t a huge controversy about letting people choose that for themselves
Ok. Do you have an argument you would like to discuss or is it just name calling today?
That’s not a name. Also, you clearly entered into an argument just looking for any excuse to justify that opinion..
I mean this is ridiculous. You are basically just trying to shame me into silence because you cannot express yourself in any other way. What is that? Do you have any statement at all?
“Wrong” is probably not the best term for it. People’s understanding of their own identity can evolve over time, but their own assessment of their sense of self will always be the most accurate barometer to go by. Yes, some people detransition, but as others have stated they’re a small minority and ultimately that’s their decision to make whether it’s due to a change in how they identify or pressure from external forces.
But to the original commenter’s point, we should just allow people to be the masters of their own identity and meet them where they are at any given point. If that were the case, the idea of getting it “wrong” wouldn’t be a big deal at all, they could simply give us an update and the world keeps turning.
their own assessment of their sense of self will always be the most accurate barometer to go by.
Does this claim extend to people who are schizophrenic?
love the transphobia to ableism pipeline. Not a great look.
What? What gives you the right to judge people you don’t know like that? You’re literally just trying to shame me into silence, you have not said a single rational thing to me, you have not met the argument, you are arguing in a thoroughly disingenuous matter because you are incapable or interacting in any other way, it’s pure domination tactics and base rhetoric very much like that that is seen on the far right.
This is just straight up immature behavior on your part. Please be civil.
That’s a completely separate discussion. We’re talking about gender dysphoria, not schizophrenia. I hope you understand why people assume you’re a troll, because what is even the point of bringing that up in this context?
ApyteleHow do we know anything at all? How do we know that we’re not all just living in an alien simulation and in fact are multidimensional dragons from some parallel universe?
This is what I’m saying! Maybe it’s like that game from rick and Morty. 1% chance you get a brain tumor, 1% chance you just get put in the wrong body in some way or other cuz fuck you that’s why.
See the problem with “identity” and what is “reality” and what things “are” or “are not” are profoundly complex philosophical questions that have been deeply, deeply thought about by the most brilliant minds of mankind since thousands of years, and they are yet to be solved.
That is why all claims about what something or someone “is” or “is not” is fraught with paradoxes that just collapse on themselves, and all claims to some sort of objective truth and finality are just fantasies.
What matters is to treat people with kindness and respect whoever they are. That’s what I think. Doesn’t mean we are obligated to believe whatever it is they believe. Everyone is free to believe what they want.
DevolutionLet’s be real. Who would actually pick to have a penis?
Penis vs periods. That’s the ultimate battle.
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Can we do the blood type thing where like it’s O-Type?