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Janik Ramírez@nixCraft I think updating Arch gives the same result in some point of time...
doragasu@the_codifier @nixCraft Not if you take the effort of understanding what you install, update regularly (I do it once a week), read the news page if updater complains (that tells you what will break and how to update without breaking), you do a sane maintenance of pacnew files... My current arch desktop install is as old as the computer (7 years), 0 breakage.
It can be very stable, but it's true it takes some effort.
Admiral Snackbär@doragasu @the_codifier @nixCraft
... But that is pretty much the opposite of stability.
You wouldn't call a house stable, if you need to involve a civil engineer for every lightbulb change.
Arch can and will self-destruct at some point, and that's just not acceptable for anyone whose hobby isn't OS maintenance.
@AdmSnackbar @the_codifier @nixCraft For me it's stable if it doesn't break when you use it as intended. Arch is supposed to be used like that, the wiki will tell you.
@AdmSnackbar @the_codifier @nixCraft Also it will not self destruct by itself. When conflicting updates happen, it will refuse to update. If you still force the update (that requires manually setting the force flag and confirming later), yeah, it can break then.
@doragasu @the_codifier @nixCraft
Well, that's exactly my point.
Stability means, it won't destroy itself. But an Arch install will either require substantial effort for that, or be destroyed from third parties by being outdated and insecure.
If that's your hobby, perfectly fine. But calling it stable is weapons grade wishful thinking at best.
Cătă 🇷🇴🇺🇦🇲🇩🇪🇺@nixCraft and doesn't take the time to RTFM but gets along with the life instead. How dare?!?
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@nixCraft Having to read stuff to make sure updates don't break your system is wild... But somehow Arch users try to turn these into a bragging point.
Lenny@wststreet @nixCraft Nah, the bragging is more of a meme. I just prefer rolling releases over big "look out!" upgrades. And tbh I don't read the Arch news and have not had a system break in over 7 years. Can't say that about the Ubuntu installation of my partner.
@f09fa681 @nixCraft I didn't break my whole system, but every update would break an app or just had issues with repos not working. (I was on CachyOS though, not actual Arch)
Whereas on Mint I can't even remember the last time an update broke something.
I think in the end it depends on each person's use case, there's a fitting distro for most people out there :)
@wststreet @nixCraft I think that is very true - it depends very much on the use case. Arch probably works very well for me because I have a minimalist setup and I don't mind fixing some issues here and there, since they pretty much always open up a general improvement in one way or another, at the very least because I'm learning more. But that's not hassle-free and not for everyone.
Artemis@f09fa681 @wststreet @nixCraft I remember when they were moving from rc to systemd, and at some point the whole system went “nuh-uh, you need to (manually) reconfigure everything or it’ll stop working”.
Then, after a couple years, they decided to do the same thing with updating the network framework. Expecting the user to reconfigure it all manually.
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GvitunJ@nixCraft All you need to know is when it is safe to shutdown your pc. I recently-ish had a critical package get replaced with basically the same one under a different name. Installing that replacement meant that I needed to temporarily uninstall a few packages that had dependencies with the previous package, install the new named package and then reinstall all the packages that had dependencies with that package and they worked fine afterward. (Btw)
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Cris@nixCraft Yep, that was me. And then I switched to fedora. My old MacBook Air I got for 150€ is used as travel laptop, to have something for emergencies if some server goes down while traveling and also not being afraid of it getting stolen. So yes, I upgrade only very occasionally and just want to hit that update button and be done with it.
BoloMKXXVIII@nixCraft Decades ago I used to enjoy tinkering with my OS (both Linux and Windows). These days I want my OS to just work so I can do what I need to do on my computer without delays. Debian and Linux Mint both meet that requirement for me.
Michael / マイケル 사자 🦁@BoloMKXXVIII @nixCraft same for me.
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Seth Brown@nixCraft
Meanwhile, Slackware sends me an email from their security list when something needs to be upgraded.
Otherwise, I don't really have to interact with their website.
Slackware is so stable I had one instance running at a client's site for 10 years. Yes, I know, not the best practice, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Every time, I see a post about Arch, I sigh. Why fiddle when you can have rock solid stability?
Please explain the attraction to an old man ... ?
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@SethBrown @nixCraft It's nice to know there's a distro that isn't insisting you be riding the update train all the time.
an actual bus@nixCraft hot take: Arch is great if you don't know about Void which is like Arch but better.
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[HANDMAIDEN] xan@nixCraft eh at least it's usually just archlinux-keyring
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