Fesshole đŸ§»Mar 1
Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.
Show threadAlex MMar 1
@fesshole that is genuinely horrific. Those tokens you burn are actual resources in the real world, like water and fossil fuels.
Show threadCassandrich
@alexmu @fesshole Ignoring that the story is probably made up because there's an audit trail that'd get them fired, if they're required to use the thing in their job anyway, there is nothing unethical about meeting the requirement in a way that protects themselves from the cognitohazard and deskillling and sabotages the boss's intent. Same harm to planet either way and that's on the employer.
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Show threadKennyMar 1

@dalias @alexmu @fesshole „because there‘s an audit trail that‘d get them fired“

What information do you base the assumption on that the employer implemented an actual audit trail (which might be illegal in Europe if it captures the conversion content due to data protection laws)?

Many LLM providers provide mere usage statistics because of the legal issues.

Show threadCassandrichMar 1
@weizenspreu @alexmu @fesshole The slop provider has it even without the employer doing anything. And the account belongs to the employer.
Show threadKennyMar 1
@dalias @alexmu @fesshole So it‘s all based on assumptions communicated as facts and conclusions are drawn based on these assumptions. Understood.
Show threadCassandrichMar 1
@weizenspreu @alexmu @fesshole A casual remark about why a story is likely fake does not call for a detailed explanation of intricacies, especially when this kind of software is dropping logs both intentionally and unintentionally all over the place and there is absolutely significant risk of getting caught.
Show threadKennyMar 1
@dalias @alexmu @fesshole Calling it „probably made up“ because of your personal risk assessment strikes me as weird nevertheless.
Show threadPasswordsarehard4Mar 1
@weizenspreu @dalias @alexmu @fesshole I think your being a bit dramatic. He said “probably “ , it was never presented to you as a fact. He didn’t say “he knew it was fake” or “anyone can tell it’s not real” he just said there was a higher chance it was fake and a reason why he thought that.
Show threadAlex MMar 1
@dalias @fesshole that's a myopic way to look at it. Most likely the employer doesn't care enough about you to want to deskill you by exposing you to "cognitoharazds". They're following hype and/or they're misguided. I'd be tempted to say they don't even have a strategy around the use of llms, but that's just speculation. So you're not really sabotaging the company by burning tokens. What you're doing is moral posturing that makes you feel better about yourself because you're the main character in your story and you're sticking it to the man. But that's a pointless exercise that only ends up sabotaging the cause you're supposedly fighting for (taking down capitalism, llm hype, late stage capitalism death cult). By silently complying, and using the tokens you're just bolstering their policy.
Show threadCassandrichMar 1
@alexmu @fesshole I didn't say they want to expose you to a cognitohazard or deskill you. I said it's reasonable and ethical to protect yourself from these things by diverting their irresponsible spending to something that doesn't harm you and keeps you employed.
Show threadAlex MMar 1

@dalias @fesshole is it really mandatory? Have you taken it up with the employer? How do your workmates feel about it? Have you talked to them? If the employer is threatening to fire you because you don't use llms then there are labour laws that can protect you (at least in the civilized countries).

Even if you are forced to use llms, you can do it in more productive ways. Use it to save work if you can, and use the spare time to join/form a union, raise awareness with your peers on how this is damaging to their careers, do something that actually has a chance of changing things.

Show threadCassandrichMar 1

@alexmu @fesshole Those are not more productive ways, they're more brain rotting ways. And even if they were productive, you have no moral duty to maximize productivity for your employer at the expense of your cognitive facilities.

Yes, enployers are threatening to lay off employees based on low "AI" usage metrics. What rock have you been living under?

Show threadAlex MMar 1
@dalias @fesshole ok, carry on doing your thing then.
Show threadIgnazio PalmisanoMar 1
@alexmu @dalias @fesshole a) if someone is telling you it's mandatory where they work, take them at their word b) you're assuming there's an upside worth the environmental impact
Show threadIgnazio PalmisanoMar 1
@alexmu @dalias @fesshole whether they want to expose me to the risks or not they're exposing me to those risks. That's factual. It makes them daft or evil, yes.
Show threadgkrnoursMar 1
@dalias @alexmu @fesshole what if using the AI for shenzen IO?
Show threadFiXatoMar 1
@dalias only objection I have to add though is that OP could be going for the bare minimum of usage they can get away with, but instead opted to use up all the tokens and getting seen as a top user, potentially incentivising an increased budget and thus more usage.
@alexmu @fesshole
Show threadDaniel M. ReckMar 1

@dalias If there is an audit trail, it would not shock me if it is being watched with the same intelligence and diligence as the leadership who would impose a requirement to use #GenAI. (That is, none.)

If the boss is dumb enough to make that rule, they are dumb enough to miss a subordinate sidestepping the rule.

@alexmu @fesshole #FAFO #tech #AI #slop #MaliciousCompliance

Show threadCassandrichMar 1

@DanielMReck @alexmu @fesshole Audit trail is just inherent to using a "tool" that's somebody else's service. Of course they record everything. That's valuable data. The boss isn't necessarily going to read it or even try to figure out how they would, but when the employee gets caught playing games at work, they're going to start digging.

In any case it's pointless to argue over this when the even more obvious reason it's likely-fake is that "power fantasy sticking it to the man expressed as an anonymous confession" is a whole genre and most of these things turn out to be fake.