Tldr; I love my job, hate the Netherlands, want to move somewhere warmer but where and how?

Basically that. It's time for a change. I love my current job, and I wish I could stay in that role for years to come, but a. It's temporary and b. Good god do I hate living in The Netherlands. To a point where something's gotta give.

I'll be slow posting in this thread today, not sure how many toots. Feel free to mute me if this thread becomes annoying. 🫶

1/n

And by slow posting, I mean slowwww. In between playing Majora's Mask with two cats sleeping on me ❤️

2/n

The problem with NL is that it's cold, grey, wet and miserable. Unless you like cycling through the rain (gas costs 3 dollars a liter and forget about parking), you'll be inside your house for 8 months out of the year. Even during the 2 weeks of summer, there's no nature to enjoy. We basically have 3 nature parks, which you can walk in a day. And that's it. The beaches are shit, the food is flavorless, everything looks the same. It's grey and bland every day.

3/n

All of that was somewhat tolerable, because at least most of us lived a decent middle class life here. But that's starting to disappear as well. I don't know what's happened the past few years, but life here has gotten ridiculously expensive. Groceries, taxes, rent, incidental expenses, everything increased. To a point where it regularly starts to eat into my savings. It doesn't make financial sense to stay in The Netherlands. It's just not worth it anymore.

4/n

That's not even mentioning the pension age that they raised to 72, the houses that on average cost over €500.000 (for a rijtjeshuis btw), the insane cost of being single instead of a couple, and the right wing conservative parties consistently dominating for the last 20 years leading to a hollowing out of every collective utility from healthcare to energy to housing. The Netherlands is a boomers paradise.

5/n

Clearly it's time to go (even though I'd be willing to stay a bit longer for a ~particular role~, in case my boss is reading this 😂), but the question is..

..go where?

Australia was a contender, but I haven't heard back from my visa application. Finding a visa sponsored job also hasn't led anywhere. Plus, it feels like Australians are dealing with their own financial challenges, especially aspiring home owners.

6/n

The US isn't an option for obvious reasons, Canada too cold, Latam too far, South Africa too murder-y, and Thailand doesn't seem convenient careerwise.

So that leaves Southern Europe.

The biggest issue is where and how. I have two cats to haul along. Do I buy a campervan and rent out my house? Where do I go?

Also, I love my work atm, can I keep doing that for as long as possible while figuring this out? And will I find a new role in the same field again?

7/n

At this point I'm pretty convinced I need to buy a campervan and just travel around 😅 I've only seen a fraction of the continent.

I can't think of any scenario that doesn't come with a cost. Every scenario means digging into my savings.

8/n

The saga continues. 🥲

We've established that I need to move abroad. I still don't know where to. And I have two cats to bring along.

The problem is that buying a campervan will easily erase 1/3rd to 1/2 of my savings. And I need those savings to buy a house or start a business. It would be much cheaper if I just knew where I wanted to live and moved there, but noooo. 🙄

I'm worried about spending all my money on travelling and then not having any left to move.

9/n

I'm also very unsure whether I'll like travelling by campervan. It seems equal parts fun and ghetto. 😂

Btw this would be across Europe. The question is where (but I'd def want to include France, Austria, Slovenia, Greece and Turkey).

10/n

What I could also do, instead of buying a van, is take short city trips by plane during long weekends all over Europe and try different places.

But that would limit me to big cities. While I think I might prefer smaller cities or even the countryside. But still with an expat vibe. And good coffee places. And quiet. But also lively. Sigh. 🤦🏼‍♀️

11/n

@Gina you mentioned Australia, but perhaps New Zealand?

The other day I checked the democracy index 2025, and it cross-ref'ed to another list measuring countries on a host of safety, freedom, human rights criteria. Perhaps there are more such lists with things you do not readily think of, e.g. on laws, regulations, pension, etc.

Here's that list in case it is useful: https://freedomforallamericans.org/safest-countries-in-the-world/

@smallcircles New Zealand would be an interesting option, esp the north island. Unfortunately it has the same housing problem as Australia. I'm not moving to the other side of the world just to be poor there.
@Gina ah yes, that is true. I have family living there, but they emigrated from NL long ago, at the height of the Cold War and going the safest country to be in, in case of a nuclear war. They are now long-time house owners with big overvalue. 😅

@Gina

Do you want to go for bustling city life, or quiet rural life? I was attracted by those TV programs of Floortje Dessing "Alone on the World", for instance the edition where she visited a family living in the Belise jungle. Surrounded by Nature, though not far from road and city. Those examples are a bit extreme, of course, but the general idea for the non die-hard hobbyist "lonely planeters" is fine.

@Gina Chili is also rural galore, beautiful nature. Speak Spanish fluently (if you don't already), 2nd largest language, always handy.

@Gina

On that safety list btw, there are some surprising positions.

@Gina here is that democracy index. The EIU list is I think the official one, but last publication dates from 2024. I hoped to find 2026 and was curious how they'd rank the USA with Mr. T and all that jazz.

https://freedomforallamericans.org/democracy-index-rankings/

Democracy Index 2025: Global Rankings That Show Where Freedom Is Rising or Fading

Global democracy slipped again in the 2025 index as civil liberties, elections, and public trust weakened across every major region.

Freedom For All Americans

@smallcircles
> here is that democracy index. The EIU list is I think the official one, but last publication dates from 2024

Wow, Aotearoa is number 2 on this list. Either this means it's wildly inaccurate or heavily biased, or it has very depressing implications for the state of democracy in the world right now.

@Gina