ArtemisFeb 26

RE: https://masto.ai/@transworld/116133383689609626

This isn't about courting voters—they intend to consolidate both parties to agreement on the dehumanization of many groups of people in hopes of continuing the fascist/authoritarian tightening of control.

This isn't about the "culture". It's not about what people in general feel. This is about power, control, & the ability to murder people.

Show threadArtemisFeb 26

Trans folks are fighting for their lives.

To abandon them right now is unthinkable.

This isn't about what we the people want.

This is about what powerful people want us to want.

Show threadArtemisFeb 26
Just fucking wait. If we follow them down this path in a couple years Democrats will be saying "we need to be more 'culturally normal' & stop talking about women's rights."
Show threadQuasitFeb 26
@artemis The Democratic Party is the oligarchs' plan B for fascism.
Show threadThe Great Llama Feb 26
@Quasit @artemis
Honestly, Gavin Newsom is the dems planning to lose. They've had a year and a half to digest Harris' loss, their own studies told them running right was a mistake and yet here we are. They aren't running to win.
Show threadHakeemGFeb 26
@TheGreatLlama @Quasit @artemis Oh boy, here we go again. Kamala was one of the most progressive candidates of my lifetime. Look at her voting record in the Senate and you will find it was comparable to Bernie Sanders.
Show threadQuasitFeb 26
@HakeemG @TheGreatLlama @artemis
How is it progressive to send billions of our taxpayer dollars to Israel to kill babies?
Show threadHakeemGFeb 26
@Quasit @TheGreatLlama @artemis It's not. You realize Bernie spent three decades doing the same thing, right?
Show threadQuasitFeb 26

@HakeemG @TheGreatLlama @artemis I don't worship Bernie. Genocide support is an absolute dealbreaker no matter WHO supports it.

As it should be for any decent human being.

Is that the new Democratic position? That genocide is okay sometimes, depending on who it benefits?

Show threadHakeemGFeb 26
@Quasit @TheGreatLlama @artemis So you're going to vote for nobody. That will fix it. Why not run for office or organize and support a candidate.
Show threadQuasitFeb 26

@HakeemG @TheGreatLlama @artemis
Let me get this straight: if two people show up with guns and say that they're going to murder your children, your response will be to decide which of them is...BETTER?

You wouldn't fight back? Not even for your children's lives? Two people tell you that you must choose which of them will kill your family, and you just ACCEPT that choice?

I really hope you're some sort of AI bot, because I don't want to believe that a genuine human being would react like that.

As for not voting, I vote - not that it's any of your business. But only someone in a complete state of delusion (or an AI bot, or a paid shill) could seriously claim that we're going to be allowed to VOTE our way out of fascism. We're way past that.

We have to fight, or die. In this case "fighting" means a prolonged general strike. We shut down the economy and drive the oligarchs (and their Republican and Democratic flunkies) out of the country. Forever.

#GeneralStrike #Politics

Show threadViolet Madder

@Quasit @HakeemG @TheGreatLlama @artemis

Vote Satan or Cthulhu will win!

How dare you not want to vote for the candidate who will only eat HALF of your children!

Principles and morals have no place in the real grown-up world! Only childish idealists refuse to tolerate genocide! Lower your standards!

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Show threadQuasitFeb 26

@violetmadder @HakeemG @TheGreatLlama @artemis

If I wasn't already following you, I'd have followed you all over again for that post! 🤣

Show threadwebhatFeb 26
@Quasit @violetmadder @TheGreatLlama @artemis I've followed them in your place
Show threadViolet MadderFeb 27

@Quasit @HakeemG @TheGreatLlama @artemis

D'aww! 😁

I went to protest at the 2016 DNC, the shit I saw there and the way I got SCREAMED AT by some Hillary delegate who totally lost his shit at me... Yeah. I've been hearing all this "lesser evil" shit and allllll the associated insults since I voted for Nader twenty-five goddamn years ago, and FUCK ALL OF THAT NOISE. It's like nobody has ever heard of Good Cop / Bad Cop.

The spoiler effect is a weapon of voter suppression that the DNC jerks off to all day.

Show threadHakeemGFeb 27
@violetmadder @Quasit @TheGreatLlama @artemis The only thing you guys won't do is anything, lesser clowns seems appropriate.
Show threadViolet MadderFeb 27

@HakeemG @Quasit @TheGreatLlama @artemis

Ever heard of mutual aid, direct action, or labor organizing?

I participate in those. Also I work in mental health.

But sure, go on making huge assumptions and insulting people if that's what you really think is effective.

Show threadQuasitFeb 27

@HakeemG @violetmadder @TheGreatLlama @artemis
You're here trying to persuade us to support fascists who kill children, and you're calling US clowns?

Are you Donald Trump?

Show threadHakeemGFeb 27
@Quasit @violetmadder @TheGreatLlama @artemis No I'm here saying you don't stand for anything. Just a bunch of Internet edgelords like those MAGA teenagers.
Show threadQuasitFeb 27

@HakeemG @violetmadder @TheGreatLlama @artemis
I oppose genocide. You support it. It's that straightforward.

You don't have a moral leg to stand on. And now you're not even funny anymore.

Show threadCyFeb 27
Voting doesn't have anything to do with your principles and morals, unless your principals and morals believe in the power of the vote. And if that's the case, why aren't you voting? You can vote for someone who supports genocide, and also oppose genocide. It seems counterintuitive, but a vote is just a mark on paper. What it means depends on what you want it to mean.

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Show threadQuasitFeb 27

@cy @HakeemG @TheGreatLlama @artemis @violetmadder

So by your logic, I could vote for Hitler, or Donald Trump, but because my FEELINGS oppose genocide and fascism that would be just peachy keen? There would be no contradiction in that, in your eyes?

That's certainly an interesting way of looking at things. Can't say it makes any sense, but...yeah.

Good luck with that.

Show threadCyFeb 27
No because your ACTIONS oppose genocide and fascism. What did Oskar Schindler have to apologize for?

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Show threadQuasitFeb 27

@cy @HakeemG @TheGreatLlama @artemis @violetmadder

Are you seriously comparing Oscar Schindler, who risked his life to save hundreds or thousands of human beings, to people who vote for candidates who promise to keep killing children?

What "actions" of those voters make up for what they have supported with their votes?

Children are dead. Warmongers caused those deaths. Politicians enabled that genocide. Voters elected those politicians. Somehow you're whitewashing those voters of any responsibility for the consequence of their ACTION of knowingly voting for genocidal candidates.

That's not a kind of thinking I understand, nor am I interested in trying to understand it. It isn't a sane approach to the world, as far as I'm concerned.

There is no forgiveness for genocide.

Show threadCyFeb 27
Not everyone is in a position to do what he did. I'm just saying that people who never hurt anyone, who wouldn't wish harm on their worst enemy, who they voted for really doesn't matter. Maybe they made a mistake. Maybe they thought it would turn out differently. You have become the enemy enabling all this death and violence and warmongering, because you're driving us apart, and making us fear and hate each other, while the pigs on top laugh all the way to the bank.

Save your anger for the people who lie for him and kill for him, and do all that warmongering and genocide. The ones who simply MAY have voted incorrectly don't have to be your enemy. In making them your enemy, you're defeating any hope of a peaceful movement ever organizing against the tyrants. You're handing all our lives into the hands of the oppressor. We are all in this together, even the people who mistakenly believe some war on some 20 mile speck of land on this planet is ethical.

And there is forgiveness for EVERYTHING. Soon as you say there isn't, the fascists whisper into your ear "Yes, hate those people just like we do," and now you have to support them, or stop hating genocide. They have you by the balls. The only thing that should govern your actions is the future. And some crazed baby killer is highly unlikely to start being a decent fellow, but what's important is what they're likely to do, not what they have done. Retributive justice is slavery; you want to punish the bad guys, and the bad guys end up as the wardens, with their victims as the criminals. Instead, make it so bad guys can't prosper. By not hating people for making the wrong mark on a piece of paper.

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