not_IOwhere are all the maga sports feminists
Remember_the_toothIt’s almost as if the Venn diagram of those people and the ones who mock the WNBA is a circle.
ZagorathThere are a few different things you need to know to get this, so it’s hard to blame you.
The first is that there is a prominent and very loud transphobic community of people who cry about “women’s sports”, where what they really mean is “trans women aren’t women and shouldn’t be allowed to be in women’s spaces”, but they couch it in notions of fairness in sport. You know it’s not legitimate concern because of how often they’ve gone after cis women who just happen to look a little too masculine for their misogynistic tastes.
You also need to know that Donald Trump, the US president, has been closely tied to these loud transphobes.
The third thing is that at this year’s Winter Olympics, the US teams won both the men’s and women’s ice hockey competition.
Following that win, Donald Trump called the men’s team and invited them to meet him at the White House, after the State of the Union. He derisively joked with them:
And we have to, I must tell you, we’re going to have to bring the women’s team, you do know that. I do believe I probably would be impeached [if the women’s team was not invited].
We know this because one of the men recorded the call and posted the video online. Many of the men were heard laughing in response to Trump’s sexist joke. One or two of the men posted after-the-fact that the men should not have reacted like that. Whether it’s sincere or face-saving, I’ll leave up to the reader.
So we’ve got Trump, a member of the “protect women’s sports” movement, caught vocally deriding successful women athletes. Almost like the “protect women’s sports” movement is actually just an “exclude trans women from society” movement.
Lmao at that first paragraph. Lol k
What’s funny about “There are a few different things you need to know to get this, so it’s hard to blame you.”?
You should really learn the difference between a sentence and a paragraph. Maybe that’s why you don’t understand why boys shouldn’t be in women’s sports
A single sentence can be a paragraph, but you need to not be brain damaged to understand that, so I don’t blame you.
Is the paragraph in the room with you right now?
And it’s so good to know that I’m not the only person that thinks that there are millions of us and I’m on the left but I helped fight for title 9. So ya I do value women’s rights. And want my daughter to have a fair chance in the sports she loves.
And here I am educating you again. Phobia means fear I’m not afraid of them.
Trans people can do their pretend as much as they want doesn’t bother me it’s when they start joining women’s teams that we start having a little problem here. And I’m not the only Democrat or leftist that thinks this You clowns are very much in the minority who think that way and it’s going to cost you elections You’re never going to get candidate that runs on that to win
It’s called facts cupcake.
You sound terrified
LMAO whatever doesn’t make your reality come crashing down around you
Holy can’t deal with facts or reality dipshit
toomanypancakesHahahahahahaha
Prides a bitch when it won’t let you admit you just got embarrassed on the Internet huh? I know you think those up votes give you a false sense of securit but that’s all they are.
Prides a bitch when it won’t let you admit you just got embarrassed on the Internet huh
Lol at that lack of self awareness.
Buddy. I don’t live in a echo chamber. You go out in the real world, go visit softball fields, volleyball courts, basketball. And your going to be laughed at relentlessly. Maybe 1 in a hundred thousand you’ll find someone sympathetic
That was the joke? The racist uncle at Thanksgiving bitching and moaning about a societal expectation to treat people with respect even if you don’t agree with their choices, thinly veiled as a “joke?”
He didn’t want to invite out the women’s team, or any women’s team for that matter, because they’re not likely to be Trump supporters and he can’t handle having his feelings hurt.
ValmondThey only like women in sports if they think they are fuckable
They know the women’s hockey team are tougher than they could hope to be, and they hate what they fear
ParagoneWhen it violates one’s ideology to value WOMEN as equally-valid human-lives, then … why would they violate their tribe’s culture, & therefore their-own tribal-validity??
It isn’t women’s SPORTS they don’t value,
it is WOMEN they don’t value as equal-validity people.
Sports is just a subcategory of their non-valuing, not the basis of it.
( same as the condescension of the middle-class & upper-middle-class left contempt their inferiors, automatically, implacably: tribal-prejudice’s tribal-prejudice, in all cases. It isn’t something that only-some-tribes do, on only-1-side of the political-spectrum. )
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edgemaster72They’re also the “pro-lifers” who couldn’t actually give a shit about the life of a child once it’s born, pull yourself up by the bootstraps kiddo, time to justify the existence that was forced upon you
sureshot0It’s more about the entitlement. They feel entitled to children but can’t have them without going through another human being to make it so. As such, laws are made to give them control over said human beings.
It’s like all those proposed save all the kids on the internet laws. The kids are not what it’s really about. Sure, you can dig up a rare human or two who really does want it to be about that, even to the point of belief, but the kids are never what it’s about.
I mean… you don’t have to be MAGA to hold the opinions that trans women shouldn’t be on the women’s team in competitive sports.
I think it’d be much better to widen the categories and have two extra categories, one for trans men and one for trans women where they can compete.
No matter how open minded and progressive we become, we can’t change the fact that biologically, trans women have an unfair advantage against biological women and trans men have a biological disadvantage against biological men. Ironically, nobody ever talks about that latter part and I think it’s because trans men know they don’t really have a fair chance against biological men while trans women know they have really good odds against biological women. This is also why people get upset about the topic. Of course some people are just braindead bigots, but most people who are against trans women in women’s sports are against it because it is by its nature unfair to biological women that someone who was born a man can come into their sport and easily win gold and break records that were set by biological women for decades.
We just have to accept that biology is not something you can fundamentally change and in the case of sports, it becomes very, very apparent. I have no issue with trans people living their lives and I want them to be at peace with the gender identity that is right for them. Most of the time, biology doesn’t matter, but it does matter if you need to see a doctor or if you want to do competitive sports. I’m sorry, but that’s just how things are. Take it up with evolution or God or whatever you subscribe to.
It is better and safer for everybody, if the gender categories receive two additional categories so trans people can participate in competitive sports. I am very much pro this idea and have been for years. I think it would level the playingfield and it would be fair to everybody. It would also send a signal to trans people that they exist and have a place in competitive sports.
Regarding Trump mocking a hockey team, I haven’t really heard about it since I am tired of American news and need s break from the bs, but it does not at all surprise me that Trump is saying some retarded shit and proving himself to be a hypocrite. I’m also not surprised that his remaining supporters are lacking in morals and consistency. I was told the sky is blue as well. There is no point trying to argue or do gotchas with Trump and his most devout followers. It’s a cult and there is not reasoning with cults.
I am also not a fan of people like the guy in the screenshot who think the world is black or white. To me, that line of thinking is no different than the way MAGA thinks. It is not fair nor is it particularly intelligent to take the group you hate the most and then throw everybody you disagree with into that group to disregard any and all points they have to make on issues where you disagree. You end up closing yourself off to alternative points of views, you never challenge you own stances on anything and broaden your horizon. That is in fact, very very stupid and unproductive. It’s also a MAGA tactic and I don’t think any of us should seek to emulate Trump tactics when we try and talk about issues that have nuance.
Spreading thoroughly debunked, hateful, anti-scientific right-wing lies like this might not make you MAGA, but it does make you an ignorant bigot and propagandist. Stop drinking MAGA Kool Aid and then handing it out to others.
There is some merit to the idea in some highly competitive sports that trans women may retain some biological advantage over cis women.
However, the “protect women’s sports” crowd isn’t interested in having a good faith discussion about it. For starters, they’ll cry against even the idea of preteen trans girls playing with cis girls. Or against trans women in a social women’s sport club. Outside of elite sports, the argument is literally completely irrelevant because so many other factors are far, far more significant. When you have a league consisting of people who have been playing casually for a year or two in addition to people who were only a few spots away from going pro, the difference between the genders is an irrelevancy.
But there have also been studies that say the biological advantage is overstated. One study showed that 2 years after starting HRT, trans women retained none of the advantage they started with in push ups or sit ups, and that the advantage in a middle distance run halved. The study didn’t say, but I’d hypothesise that after 5 years that, too, would be gone.
So at the elite levels, it’s fair to say that each sport should be making its own decision based on the types of fitness and skills involved. And those decisions should be based on the weight of evidence, not—as is usually the case today—on the vibes or because of political lobbying. Some restrictions, especially pre-hormonal transition and shortly after, are likely warranted in many cases. Longer-term restrictions are less defensible.
And all of this assumes someone who went through a normal male puberty. It says nothing of the fact that the same crowd arguing against trans people in sport are the ones arguing against puberty blockers and allowing children to make decisions for themselves with the aid of their parents and doctors, without government intervening. If that were allowed, many of those biological advantages never would have been able to develop in the first place.
Go be a fly on the wall in a right wing chat. They hate women. They scare them. If the have them, they hate their wives. They hate their lives. They hate anything that forces critical thinking. It is almost comical.
It’ll look violent if one’s tampoon/cup spills out in rink.