RE: https://mastodon.social/@simonbs/116127398104601987

I've been on Apple Passwords for a couple years now. If you are only on Apple's platforms, it's the right solution.

@jsnell Think I'm on every platform šŸ¤” That's a big reason to pay for a password manager, having a service that goes through all the hassle of making it work well wherever.
@jsnell Given the extensions for Firefox and chromium (plus the app on windows) I’d even say it’s a decent (tho maybe not the best) option for anyone not using android or linux

@jsnell honestly, even if you're apple + windows it works quite well. The extensions and companion Windows app have worked flawlessly for me.

If you're android or linux you'd definitely need a different solution though like Bitwarden.

@ashah @jsnell I can second this. I use a 50/50 Mac/PC split and it’s been very helpful.
@jsnell is this still the case if you have to use chrome a lot and need to share with family? (All on Apple devices)
@Dorronsoro @jsnell There’s pretty good (imo) password sharing both within and outside of iCloud families. There’s also extensions for Firefox and chromium
@Dorronsoro it's less good on chrome but still usable
@jsnell @simonbs Will be hoping that Passwords expands to add custom fields and non password type things like API credentials (custom fields could be the solve for that). I have a lot of those and secure notes in 1password that make migrating not as straight forward. Maybe we can convince @rmondello to get that added that in iOS / macOS 27 šŸ˜Ž
@mattbanks Notes has secure notes. That's where those go.
@jsnell @mattbanks Uplock is a really great app alternative for those sorts of things but I'm a fan of Apple Notes as well
@jsnell Those are good for secure notes, I agree, but things like security questions you may need to copy/paste or randomly generate, server credentials, etc. are something I use a lot.
@mattbanks sure, but you also mentioned secure notes. that's not an issue
@jsnell @mattbanks
Notes is not very good at saving structured data. 1Password is pretty great for creating arbitrary fields, so you can neatly store complex entries. Other great 1Password feature is SSH integration.
@mattbanks @jsnell @simonbs @rmondello And security questions!
@marcintosh @mattbanks @jsnell @simonbs @rmondello and 2FA emergency codes (yes, secure notes exist, but I should be able to keep those in a secure comment alongside the login details).

@mattbanks @jsnell @simonbs @rmondello it also needs to allow for multiple arbitrary login fields other than just "username" and "passwords". My health insurance provider wants those two plus the plan number.

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@jsnell I’ve been on Apple Passwords for a few years too - works great with family groups, etc. One thing I wish they’d add is a more robust password generator (pass phrases, etc) instead of just ā€œStong or Strong without special charactersā€
@jsnell Same. I tried 1Password years ago, but it just didn't work for me.

@jsnell @simonbs no Linux support, non-starter. Thread seems to be gathering a catalog of other lacking features I note. 1Password remains worth it for now.

Interestingly got two other service price increases today as well. Hetzner and Three (uk mobile network). Probably not coincidence. Seems like they’re all passing on their ram/storage cost increases.

@StrangeNoises what part of "if you are only on apple platforms" did you not understand
@jsnell @simonbs I want to but im missing many things like bank accounts, file attachments, etc
@cmaciasjimenez @simonbs I would argue that most of what 1Password offers, Apple offers, but it's not all in passwords. Secure notes is in Notes, for example.

@jsnell @simonbs Could be. To me that makes it way more inconvenient because we are talking about mixing my regular notes with other ā€œsecure thingsā€. I would love for Passwords to have more types of items. I basically want Apple to sherlock 1Password more. I understand that they aren’t going to add ssh keys etc but at least I would want them to properly support website passwords, wifi passwords, bank accounts and credit cards. With support for attached files.

One can only hope

@cmaciasjimenez I gotta be honest, Passwords does not need secure notes just because 1Password put them there. It doesn't make sense. Secure notes belong in Notes.

I don't disagree about doing a better job with some other categories though.

@jsnell could be! I’d love for them to have it but I understand the notes angle. We’ll see! Thank you for the conversation, Jason!

@jsnell @simonbs True. However, they are other information is that you want to store in a password manager, for example your passport, your ID number, your bank account details, software licenses etc.

And for that I use eWallet.

Cross platform. Pay once use forever.

https://www.iliumsoft.com/ewallet/

eWallet | Ilium Software

eWallet helps you by keeping your passwords safe, but easy for you to access when you need them

@jsnell
Apple passwords work on Windows as well, but sadly not on Linux.
@jsnell @simonbs given global developments over the past year and Apple’s apparent willingness to kowtow I’m not loving the idea of being dependent on them not terminating my iCloud account for all my passwords and passkeys. I’d say it’s the right solution for Americans on Apple’s platforms. People outside the US should at the very least be doing regular backups of their iCloud keychain which I don’t think there’s a really userfriendly method for as of now?

@marlies @jsnell @simonbs

Because of this whole "the US can't be trusted, and by extension Apple can't be trusted" situation, I'm now actively pursuing using a Linux laptop for my day-to-day work (and life). I'm saying this as an Apple user _for everything_ since 1996.

@reinier @marlies @simonbs I was going to say, if you are so concerned about Apple that you won't use iCloud for passwords, it's probably worth thinking bigger.
@jsnell @reinier @simonbs I don’t think they’d remotely lock/disable my devices based on whatever the US govt deems terrorism this week but locking me out of my Apple ID (and thus iCloud - of which passwords is probably the most impactful part) for a ToS violation seems like a reasonable concern?
@marlies @reinier @simonbs we all have to define reasonable ourselves. I am dubious but if you are concerned I'd at least find a password manager that is not in the U.S. or doesn't rely on one sync service
@jsnell @simonbs I’d say it’s even usable on Windows now, for light purposes, like if you have a gaming pc like I do.
@jsnell This is probably the right move. Although 1password is better than Apple Passwords, it’s just easier to give in and use the built-in Apple solution.
@jsnell @simonbs time to work on re-training my mom who almost understands 1Password. Best thing about 1Password, is I can just have her vault always showing in my stuff to make it fast to look up, without her having my logins.