return2ozmaScoop: Dems working on secret report found Gaza cost Harris votes
TropicalDingdongThe report: everything we were screaming into the void from 2023 till 2024.
The report is moot other than the fact they trying to bury it because anyone with two twigs to run together knows the answer, knew it before it happened, knew it while it was happening, and knows it now.
Trump was easily beatable in 2024 and Dems blew it at every turn.
You want to see the roadmap for beating Trump?
Sort c/politics by controversial and read the top five threads of comments.
It’s all there in black and white, in no uncertain terms. And the shitlibs who insisted we take the worst strategy turns possible (and advocating for them in those threads)…they mostly jumped ship (santanko and squid being notable examples).
It’s also worth nothing how many voices who go their analysis at the time basically correct at the time it would have mattered, how many of them are banned from politics as a whole. There was a clear moderation effort made to cultivate a specific type of conversation here.
LemmyBruceLeeMarvinIf genocide isn’t a red line then there are no red lines, every lib that voted for blue no matter who should be in the Hague along with the rest of the murderers
Man… how many bricks to the side of y’all’s head do we have to take to get you to understand that a) an election isn’t about individual choice, and b) telling people what to do with their votes is counter productive.
If you were doing in 2023/24 what you are doing now, with that comment: Your why fascism won.
Saying something over and over doesn’t mean its true.
That said, I hate both the DNC and the non-voters. I can do both. If free will exists, then I can blame both. (I mean I don’t believe in free will, but on an emotional level fuck both anyway, I don’t owe either of them shit.)
ClassStruggleYou hated the DNC so much you voted for them and defend their actions tooth and nail?
I voted for them for tactical purposes. Both because at the time I cared about the well being of my fellow human beings and I care about my own well being. These days I’m not so sure I care about humans or even myself. I’m still grappling with the point of it all now that we’re doomed.
I understand that tactics aren’t likely your strong suit, so let me make it clear: I do not have to love the democrats as a party to vote for them. I just have to have a basic grip on reality that it was either them or fascism. Because its first past the post we are dealing with.
You either don’t understand what tactics mean or you have some really Pepe Silvia shit to share with me.
So you don’t understand what tactics are. Or at least are pretending not to.
Tactically, it meant I reduced the risk of Trump winning. Him winning doesn’t mean abstaining from voting would have achieved that ends better.
You think this is some kind of gotcha, but you are still just demonstrating a lack of understanding of what tactic’s mean. You can make tactically sound actions and still lose you fucking idiot.
It’s not a “gotcha”. If your goal was to vote out trump, you failed. That tactic did not work. How you evaluate that as tactically sound, I’m not sure.
Furthermore, I think your tactic leaves you in a strategically untenable situation.
The alternative tactic… also would have resulted in Trump winning.
Like what, spit it out. What other thing? Hmmm? HMMMM?
I’m guessing you can’t. If its what I think you are suggesting, why should I serve accelerationists? Why should I help them? I fucking hate them. They’re literally working to engineer this result. They wanted this result. FUCK THEM. I hope the leopards eat their faces.
Lol.
Friend. I spend all of my time organizing and working with my community. The only way out is through. And the only way through is building strong communities.
You should adjust your attitude. There are many good people doing good work on the ground.
I used to do the same. I guess technically that’s part of why I have the job I have. I applied because it seemed socially meaningful.
The people around me all think I’m a sweetheart and I’m just fucking dead inside.
You know, I met 2 people at a bar I frequent who literally told me they were lefty accelerationists. That they try and purposefully push people to revolutionary potential, even if it means making things worse first. They were happy Trump won. To be honest I was really shocked to meet any in person. I thought they were all online mentally ill ML’s. They’re long time regulars at the bar, and friends to each other. I had seen them a number of times over the past year but this recent interaction was the first time I talked to them for any real length of time.
Ones a mechanic and a unlikable music snob. The other is squatting and seemed like the sort of person who was barely literate by choice, and was mostly just repeating what his friend believed.
I felt like, after they told me that, I had to steady myself. I was quite drunk and it took some will to not start getting openly aggravated. I just calmly told them bits of my own perspective and experience. It made them at least uncomfortable I think because they became very quiet.
I’ve not had a chance to talk to them again yet, just momentary "hey man"s and waves. I will eventually though. I have so many questions. I don’t know that I’ll like the answers.
Maybe I’ll end up dead in a gutter because I got caught up in a stupid bar fight and got stabbed or some shit. lol