Basically: If you run OpenClaw connected to any meaningful system you are not fit to design, program or run any kind of software. That disregard for security and quality should leave a black mark on you for many years.
@tante Question: what if you name it?
@art_codesmith You should be forced into getting therapy
@tante So um... funny thing I read on LinkedIn today... #DHH

@art_codesmith @tante lol he’s so proud of his agent, and then his story amounts to “I told the AI to do something. It couldn’t and didn’t have any idea how to proceed. So I told it to do a different thing first. And it did that, all on its own, no prompting from me! Then it did the first thing I told it to do. With no direction at all!”

Like awww it’s almost sweet that you don’t know what prompting and direction are, David! Truly groundbreaking.

@quietewe

Hi Erin! Laughing at a screenshot of David’s 'aha!' moment feels cheap. We’ve all been 'David' at some point. Let that guy learn.

@art_codesmith @tante Loneliness is a sad thing.
@art_codesmith @tante I had picked up DHH was sitting on the fence, so DHH is loosing his AI-virginity to openclaw?! in other news...
@tante The similarities to the concept of "unprotected intercourse" are more than striking here.

@tante If the people doing that would understand security they would be very upset.

I'm not worried about the competent people, I'm worried about the majority that doesn't even consider why giving access is a bad idea.

@tante I agree BUT even if you run it on a Mac Mini or VPS or whatever without giving it your own data or accounts, it can still go and bother other internet users, for example by emailing them, sending spurious Github pull requests, making phone calls (!), the recent case of one making a hostile blog post about a named person, and so on.

Even if you make it not a danger to you, it remains a danger to others.

@tomw @tante The thing becomes then, why would you run it without giving it access to your accounts? The whole point is that it can Do Stuff For You.
@tomw @tante We desperately need a few incidents where their operators are identified and legally held responsible.
@larsmb @tomw they are identified: By OpenAI's and Meta's and Anthropic's HR department to offer them jobs
@tante @tomw I didn't mean the one or two people who had them vibed, but the masses who run and operate them even more recklessly.
@tomw @tante we've gotta put some kind of regulation in place for this. What happens if an agent does something illegal? Presumably someone needs to be held accountable (I would hope it would be the operator). So there's got to be some way to link agent to operator. Otherwise, where's the accountability?
Openclaw: KI-Agent leert unerwartet ganzen E-Mail-Posteingang - Golem.de

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@lennybacon

"Das wird nicht nochmal passieren."

😂😂😂

@tante

@tante

“Meaningful system” here, includes a network.

@tante Here's the corporate vice president of Microsoft Word running #OpenClaw to organize his family tasks and comms: https://www.omarknows.ai/p/meet-lobster-my-personal-ai-assistant

Don't worry, I'm sure no malicious actors will ever target his setup to compromise #Microsoft network. I mean, they'll only have access to all info and location of his loved ones. Surely there's zero monetary value in that...

Meet Lobster 🦞: My Personal AI Assistant

And How You Can Build Your Own

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@tante OMFG. He has now connected #OpenClaw to his smart home AND published a full playbook of his setup:
https://lobster.shahine.com/

A senior leader at Microsoft basically gave the keys to his front door to autonomous GenAI agents.

Lobster

Omar Shahine's personal and family AI agent, running on OpenClaw

Lobster | OpenClaw Playbook

@jukkan @tante

I am so glad that the executives at Microslop take security so seriously. Lol. Lmao.

@jukkan @tante fucking hell, some people REALLY crave having a personal assistant a la JARVIS. i particularly find the bit at the end creepy, where the AI compliments him on how "well written" his post is. validation/praise sycophant machine...
@patrick_h_lauke @jukkan @tante I mean - I’d want one too. I would also like to have a wand from any magic world you can imagine so magic could do my dishes. Getting either of those before the end of this decade is … unrealistic.
@hiiaminfi @jukkan @tante "aren't you worried about privacy? no, since i pay for the service" oh sweet sweet summer child

@patrick_h_lauke @jukkan @tante come on at least he has multiple agents to isolate environments or something. That’s almost professional.

(I am kidding of course)

I think the most diplomatic take I can get behind is: „If you are reading a tutorial about how to set OpenClaw up: This is out of your league, keep your hands off.“

@patrick_h_lauke @hiiaminfi @jukkan @tante if i contributed to a w3c group and acted this flippant about widespread corporate exploitation i somehow don't think i personally would choose to do so by describing users who expect a very basic social contract as fundamentally misguided and naive. unless you're about to describe how you protect users from that and consider it to be a basic fundamental right. i believe that's what most people who are invited to contribute to committees that maintain a surface level appearance of democratic input usually do
@patrick_h_lauke @hiiaminfi @jukkan @tante i just can't see myself ever being motivated to find any mirth in someone thinking they're safe and being deceived. sorry

@patrick_h_lauke @jukkan @tante You mean: Daddy/Mommy issues are the driver of this AI bubble?

If they had had someone in their childhood telling them they did a good job we could have saved the world from climate change and wild capitalism?

@jukkan @tante

> From this point forward, this is only going to get better and more amazing

There's *no possible way* these words will ever come back to haunt him

@jukkan @tante @david_chisnall
To be fair, how much more damage could a malicious actor do to Microsoft compared to their current management?
@jukkan @tante Let me get this straight... He has full access to the AI while his wife and kids are relegated to "read dad's schedule and get reminded when he needs something" access? Sounds like a wonderfully narcissistic "dad." The kind that would run a modern day generative AI company. 🙄
@jukkan Tim Apple will join the gang one day. It is bound to happen.
@jukkan @tante is he really claiming that if you run openclaw on a laptop connected to Claude that this counts as 'local AI'?
@catch56 @tante It's coming from the makers of "sovereign EU cloud" that is still subject to US CLOUD Act.

@jukkan " → Catch-all binding
→ Route to: lobster agent
→ Apply: No sandbox, full access "

HAHA!

FFW 6 months - "Lobster, tell Omar I want a divorce"

@tante Good news everyone! The senior leader at Microsoft who wired OpenClaw to run his home and family tasks, including vibe-coding a smart home integration and publishing a full blueprint of his own setup, has been promoted!🥳

Omar Shahine will now lead a new team that helps OpenClaw better expose Microsoft 365 data to the entire world.🙈

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/omarshahine_tldr-new-job-at-microsoft-bringing-openclaw-share-7444774662527578112-Zcgg

#OpenClaw #Microsoft #Microsoft365

TL;DR: New Job at Microsoft. Bringing OpenClaw + personal agents to Microsoft 365! I’m excited to share that I’m starting a new role at Microsoft, leading a team building personal assistants for… | Omar Shahine | 108 comments

TL;DR: New Job at Microsoft. Bringing OpenClaw + personal agents to Microsoft 365! I’m excited to share that I’m starting a new role at Microsoft, leading a team building personal assistants for Microsoft 365 customers. My goal is to help usher in a new generation of proactive assistants, ones that lighten your load by taking on tasks end-to-end, and that can also step in proactively when they can help. As part of this mission, I’ll be partnering with the OpenClaw + M365 community to bring the energy of this work to our customers. We’ve already hit the ground running with a fully integrated Teams plugin for OpenClaw, and I can’t wait to help usher in the era of personal agents at work. On a personal note, leaving the Word team is genuinely bittersweet. Thank you for trusting me, pushing me, and teaching me so much, your craftsmanship, care for customers, and high standards are what make Word enduring. I’ll be cheering you on from my new seat, and I hope we keep building together as the next chapter of Word, and Office, evolves toward an agentic future. Thanks Charles Lamanna for believing in this opportunity, and Sumit Chauhan for providing me the opportunity of a lifetime to lead Word for the past 3 years. 🦞-Omar | 108 comments on LinkedIn

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@jukkan May we call it the new American "Dummheit".
Looks like it's time to leave M365 and have a sovereign (EU) solution.
Bye Bye
@Tom_Huth Let's hope this becomes a thing: https://office.eu/
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Yeah fun fact: the people running companies and taking business decisions, are not usually fit to do the design or programming and those are the ones most excited about this kind of garbage, so it is not a tech problem, is a politics problem
@tante
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