TomAwezomeGiven that Drew Devault has pity for pedophiles, the correct choice is to discount anything he says, much like you should discount anything Trump or Epstein claims without further primary sources of evidence from unaffiliated parties
SpectrismThis is not at all comparable to Trump/Epstein. Drew was only pitying pedophiles, not actual rapists (this may come as a surprise to you, but there is a very clear difference).
Nobody should pity pedophiles, you should want them removed from society permanently. If that’s controversial, so be it
You’d agree of course, that pedophiles should be removed from society? Is the idea of shaming pedophiles and pedo apologists some kind of line in the sand that shouldn’t be crossed in your eyes?
You’d agree of course, that pedophiles should be removed from society?
No, I would most definitely not. In the same way that I would not agree that we should remove all men from society just because they make up the majority of rapists.
Is the idea of shaming pedophiles and pedo apologists some kind of line in the sand that shouldn’t be crossed in your eyes?
Yes.
Right, all rapists should be removed from society, regardless of gender
That wasn’t the point here. You should work on your reading comprehension. Unless you genuinely believe that all men are rapists? In which case I would just give up trying to argue with someone that has the mental capacity of a toddler.
I genuinely believe that all rapists should be removed from society, regardless of gender. It wasn’t very complicated of a point, surely you’re smart enough to pick up on that, without resorting to ad hominem.
Jesus fucking Christ, are you just ragebaiting or are you genuinely this bad at comprehending stuff? I am talking about the equivalent of your original point, that being the PREEMPTIVE removal of ALL MEN from society due to the fact that they are the main perpetrators of rape, despite the overwhelming majority of them not being rapists at all.
Is this clear now, or should I send your Mum over to explain it to you?
I never made that point, so I didn’t address it. After you said “I’d rather remove you from society” it was pretty clear to me you were letting emotions get the best of you. Again, no need for ad hominem depictions.
Their point is that attraction doesn’t entail crime or even willingness to commit crimes. Punishing someone for a thought crime is unenforceable and absurd.
I wouldn’t consider resident rehabilitation punishment, more of an opportunity really, but it still serves the purpose of keeping those people away from the rest of society and reintegrating them once they’re fit to be around vulnerable individuals
You said:
Nobody should pity pedophiles, you should want them removed from society permanently. If that’s controversial, so be it
(Emphasis mine)
You backpedaled after being called out, and it’s particularly annoying because removing permanently can also mean extermination. But giving you grace and only interpreting it as rehabilitation (assuming the individual is deemed to no longer be a danger to others), it’s still impossible to enforce until there’s a crime.
Someone who undergoes resident rehabilitation as a pedophile and is successfully treated results in someone who is no longer a pedophile. That permanently removes the pedophile from society.
You can’t make someone “no longer a pedophile” any more than you can make someone “no longer gay/a lesbian/[insert any other sexual orientation]”.
A sexual preference towards men, women, or nonbinary isn’t a mental illness. A sexual preference to children is. Refer to this for further explanation.
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> We’ve been searching for a memory-safe programming language to replace C++ in Ladybird for a while now. We previously explored Swift, but the C++ interop never quite got there, and platform support outside the Apple ecosystem was limited. Rust is a different story. The ecosystem is far more mature for systems programming, and many of our contributors already know the language. Going forward, we are rewriting parts of Ladybird in Rust. > Porting LibJS > I used Claude Code and Codex for the translation. This was human-directed, not autonomous code generation. I decided what to port, in what order, and what the Rust code should look like. It was hundreds of small prompts, steering the agents where things needed to go. After the initial translation, I ran multiple passes of adversarial review, asking different models to analyze the code for mistakes and bad patterns.
Does a condition being considered a mental illness magically make it curable? Was homosexuality curable when it was still classified as a mental disorder? Not that I know of. But feel free to show me a reputable study claiming that is indeed possible to cure pedophilia or paraphilias in general.
Of course not, an individual with such a disorder can be successfully treated to reduce if not fully eliminate pedophilic urges or inclinations. Medications and treatments are available to reduce sexual libido and urges in afflicted individuals, as well as to rebuild the mental pathways from pedophilic to normophilic, without altering sexual orientation. A resource to consider is the Handbook of Clinical Sexuality for Mental Health Professionals by Stephen B Levine, Candace B Rice, Stanley E Althof. For a study, as you’ve requested, feel free to give Changes in Sexual Arousal as Measured by Penile Plethysmography in Men with Pedophilic Sexual Interest a cursory reading.
No LLMs used here, just regular old fashioned search engines and common sense. Not that I expect that to convince you :D I wouldn’t bother wasting an LLM’s time on this, it’s much more entertaining not to. If you feel so inclined, I’d be curious what your take on antiandrogen medications, serotonergic agents or gonadotropin-releasing hormone antagonists for treatment is, since it seems effective in the limited trials that have taken place. Of course, there should always be more thorough research into the capacity for full remission.
A brief unstructured literature review on the history of paraphilias - International Journal of Impotence Research
This unstructured review is based on a comprehensive literature search leading to a variety of selected studies that summarize the historical development of paraphilias. Firstly, paraphilias in ancient times are discussed. Secondly, the development of paraphilia diagnoses, including current critical aspects, is outlined. Finally, a short description of the development of treatment approaches for individuals with paraphilic disorders and those who commit sexual offenses, including medical and psychotherapeutic approaches as well as online intervention programs, is presented. The destigmatization of people with deviant sexual interest is deemed necessary. However, it is also recommended to always strive for a balance between protecting paraphilic individuals’ rights and protecting vulnerable groups to whom paraphilic people can pose a danger.
You have demonstrated no common sense at all and a complete lack of knowledge in your previous comments, so yeah, you won’t convince me that this was not written by an LLM.
Antiandrogens (and by extension GnRH antagonists) have the bad side effect of bone loss/osteoporosis, so not really a good long term solution, and like SSRIs, they just reduce the sexual drive as a whole. I don’t know where you see any effectiveness here.
Reducing sex drive doesn’t change who you are attracted to even if you change how penises respond, at least not from antiandrogens (my experience being with spiro+estrodial). But as far as I know, at least for sex crimes as a whole, variation in sex drive is a poor explainer of who will or will not sexually abuse. Not sure on the details of the regimens being pushed here, but it seems sorta like you want men to be forcibly transitioned (as much as a jokingly supported that as an egg, I’m actually not a fan of the idea on a mass scale)? And no clue what your suggestion for women are. All to achieve a different penis volume?
Yes, you did make that point, by claiming that “we should remove all pedophiles from society”. I gave you equivalent example to show you how stupid that is. And you didn’t just “not address it”, you completely spun it around to fit your narrative. That whole point was your emotional knee-jerk reaction, I just threw it back at you.
It’s pretty simple, thorough and extensive rehabilitation to treat and rid individuals of the severe mental illness, such that they’re fit for reintroduction into society. That’s how rehab works.
treat and rid individuals of the severe mental illness
It’s not a mental illness. If anything, it’s a mental disorder or just a sexual orientation. And when exactly have we ever been able to get rid of a sexual preference? Is conversion therapy your goal? That shit doesn’t work.
You seem to be making a lot of wrong assumptions here. Because just like men in the rapists example, pedophiles overwhelmingly are fit for society and don’t need treatment or rehabilitation in the first place. And for the ones that do feel like they need help, it would actually be better to not shame and stigmatize them to actually give them the chance of trusting someone to talk about it.
It’s not a mental illness. If anything, it’s a mental disorder
Those are the same thing. “A mental disorder, also referred to as a mental illness, a mental health condition, or a psychiatric disability”
Most mental illnesses can be successfully treated, many live to tell the tale. Drug addicts who become treated are no longer addicts, sufferers of emotional cognitive disorders who become successfully treated are no longer emotionally suffering. Some disorders are treatment resistant, and afflicted individuals undergo life-long consistent maintenance therapy.
A sexual preference towards men, women, or nonbinary isn’t a mental illness. A sexual preference to children is.
I thought I’ve read somewhere that “mental disorder” is a broader term for basically any deviations from the norm, whereas “mental illness” was mostly referring to conditions that impact general behaviour and functioning, with most of them being considered treatable. I could be wrong, or there are varying definitions. In any case, it’s not a “severe mental illness” that can be cured.
A sexual preference towards men, women, or nonbinary isn’t a mental illness. A sexual preference to children is.
Even if go with this assumption, it doesn’t mean it has to be treated (which is not really possible anyway), let alone forcefully.