Guy who's trying his best :(I'm still constantly baffled by just how absolutely beyond shit modern computers are
kabel42
R.L. Dane 
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16-bit/early-32-bit was my favorite era. (Basically, the #68k era ;)
Computers were just becoming capable, but not too big for their britches.
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane I had a good time with my first amd athlon 64 but sure, simpler times :)
I think computers were honestly better when they were limited to absolutely no more than 1GB RAM, no more than 256 colors, and no more than 1024x768 screen resolution.
1GB RAM: no LLMs
256 colors: no horrid low-contrast soupy interfaces
XGA Resolution: no horrid empty spaces and bloated interfaces
I keep wanting to make that as an OS 😄
(If only I had the skillz)
Yeah, and the pushback I get from statements like that is insane to me.
"But we don't want to go back to Windows 95."
I don't either, it was a crap OS, but the interface was better than the crap interfaces they're shipping today, so ?!?!????!?
pixxI'd rather w95 with its software suite and interface than w11 with its.
W11 is a worse OS than w95 was.
@pixx @OpenComputeDesign @kabel42
It does have memory protection, though. That was Windows 95's most glaring weakness.
Edit: I meant to say that it doesn't. derp.
Edit2: No, I was saying that W11 has memory protection. lol
@OpenComputeDesign @pixx @kabel42
Brofam, Windows 95 used to crash on me daily.
Linux? Basically never.
FreeBSD? Maaaaybe once a week.
@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign @pixx
Oh yeah, I had my CD Key MEMORIZED. XD
(Of course, the keys were a lot simpler and shorter back then ;)
Last few times I installed and activated (much more recent) versions of windows, had a problem where they'll accept the key, activate, then after a few days, deactivate and make you enter the key and activate again. Windows _is_ terrible. It's just, _all_ modern software is terrible as well.
@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @pixx
Yes, but some are terribler than others. XD
@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @pixx
No, I wouldn't compare the jankiest modern linux distro to Windows 95.
95 was terrible.
Jeremy@rl_dane @pixx @OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 I will gladly insert myself into this thread just to say that XP was the first good Windows. Everything before was a crash-fest.
@jp @pixx @OpenComputeDesign @kabel42
Better than 2k??
@rl_dane @pixx @OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 I was super young back then so my memories of 98 and 2000 blend together. It might have been more stable than 98? The XP to 7 era design is just so iconic though.
Win 2K was seriously overshadowed by XP. Not that XP doesn't deserve it's cred, it absolutely does. It's just a shame though, because 2k was easily top three with XP and 7.
2K was just in kind of an awkward place, where it was kinda sorta still meant to be proffesional only, (It was an NT, after all), 98SE and ME were the fresh home OS's, and XP came out soon after, and was properly released for home use.
Also confusing 2000 vs millennium naming prolly didn't help
@OpenComputeDesign @jp @pixx @kabel42
Egad, there were SO MANY people calling in to tech lines saying "I have Windows 2000" when they actually just had Windows Me, which was total crap.
XP was the very first NT-based OS for consumers.
@jp @pixx @OpenComputeDesign @kabel42
There were basically three separate Windowses:
1980s | 1990s | 2000s | 2010s |20s
Windows 1.x -> 2.x -> 3.x -> 95 -> 98 -> ME
NT 3.x -> NT 4 -> 2000 -> XP -> Vista -> 7 -> 8 -> 10 -> 11
[-------Windows CE--/-Mobile>Zune->Phone-]
W2k had the stability of XP without the Fischer-Price hilariously-bad copy of Mac OS X's interface.
I'm sure that XP had some features that 2k lacked, probably in the DirectX department, but 2k was plenty useable.
Actual dates:
1985-11-20 Windows 1.0
1987-12-09 Windows 2.0
1990-05-22 Windows 3.0
1995-07-14 Windows 95
1998-05-15 Windows 98
2000-06-19 Windows Millennium Edition
1993-07-27 Windows NT 3.1
1996-07-31 Windows NT 4.0
1999-12-15 Windows 2000
2001-08-24 Windows XP
2006-11-08 Windows Vista
2009-07-22 Windows 7
2012-08-01 Windows 8
2015-07-15 Windows 10
2021-07-24 Windows 11
1996-11-16 Windows CE
2000-04-19 Windows Mobile
2006-11-14 Zune variant of Windows CE
2010-10-21 Windows Phone 7
Root Moose@rl_dane @jp @pixx @OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 IIRC the big architectural change from XP to Win2k was moving access to the GDI out of ring 0. Network stack "improvements"?
It was such a quaint time. I may have hurt myself puling forward those memories. Ha.
@RootMoose @rl_dane @jp @pixx @OpenComputeDesign I only remember signed drivers, but i think those were only mandatory on 64bit
@kabel42 @rl_dane @jp @pixx @OpenComputeDesign come to think of it - GDI change may have been NT->XP.
Why am I thinking about this!? <old man shakes fist at WinXP background grass> lol
@RootMoose @jp @pixx @OpenComputeDesign @kabel42
You mean from Win2K to XP?
Bruno Fontes@rl_dane @jp @pixx @OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 Win2k was the first Windows I could really trust. PS: at the 3.1 epoch I was a student.
XP was not bad either, but I still prefer W2k. After that, things only got worse. I completely abandoned Windows in the beginning of Win10. Now I have to use Win11 on work computer, but it's still bad. Even on Microsoft cloud, with Microsoft infra, using only Microsoft software with mostly default options, it is still buggy. Arch gives me a more stable productivity feeling than Windows.
@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @pixx
I have linux installs last me years. Except for Arch-based. :P
Also had bad luck with Solus, but I only tried it once.
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @pixx
'I've installed arch when my core 2 duo was new and it still works on a AMD Ryzen 9 7900, so i can't complain
'I've installed arch when my core 2 duo was new and it still works on a AMD Ryzen 9 7900, so i can't complain
@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign @pixx
Okay, but that's worse.
I mean, you you do get how that's worse, right?
#RandomAproposTheGoodPlaceQuotes #S1E01 #TheGoodPlace #TheGoodPlaceQuotes
@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign @pixx
yay can really mess up a system. Not that it ever happened to me, but there's a lot of caution about it, and that's why it's not installed by default (IIRC).
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @pixx it is if you use the endeouver installer :)
It also just uses libpackman, so it shouldn't make much of a difference except for extra info in the update dialog and some aur automation
It also just uses libpackman, so it shouldn't make much of a difference except for extra info in the update dialog and some aur automation
@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign @pixx
Endeavour pooped in the bed when doing a grub update.
So did Manjaro.
I swore off Arch-based after that.
@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign @pixx
Do you use LUKS?
@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign @pixx
I could neither resuscitate it, nor find any useful info or help on the forums for doing so, neither on Manjaro nor EndeavourOS. :/
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @pixx for me
sudo grub-install was all i needed IIRC, maybe you had a broken initramfs?@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign @pixx
No idea. It was my work computer, and I didn't have a ton of time to futz with it. I backed it up, nuked, and paved. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @pixx
making my system unbootable is less bad than giving my data to housekeeping, the TSA, or pervy patrick at the coffee shop.
@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @pixx
I'm sorry. :'(
@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @pixx
Never leaving the house.
@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @pixx
No, it's not.
@OpenComputeDesign @kabel42 @pixx
It's not that bad, but yeah. XD
@kabel42 @OpenComputeDesign @pixx
* Glances over at the corner of the room where #GRUB and #LUKS are cowering, whimpering, and shaking as soon as Arch is mentioned
I can complain. 🤣
What would what get me? Reinstalling?
You typically can't skip updates, so if the repos for your installed version get taken down, then you can't install any new software, and you can't update to a supported version, so you have to just reinstall a fresh with a supported version to install new software. Pretty much every time I boot up an OpenBSD computer after a few years, I have to reinstall. It's their biggest failing
@OpenComputeDesign @rl_dane @pixx at least with arch there shouldn't be a difference between updating and reinstalling 🤷