JWcph, Radicalized By DecencyFeb 22

RE: https://mstdn.ca/@drikanis/116107120926277506

I'd like to comment on the common "AI is just a tool" thing: I'm a woodworker by training & that means a lot of machines - but almost every craftsperson knows how to do their job with hand tools, or "lesser" machines.

Similarly, a writer can write without a text editor - just as well, only slower.

If loss of a tool = loss of your skill & knowledge, then that tool isn't an asset, it's a liability. You're signing over your ability to do business to whoever sells & maintains that tool.

#AI

Show threadDownes 🍁

@jwcph

> "If loss of a tool = loss of your skill & knowledge, then that tool isn't an asset, it's a liability."

So, dump trucks are a liability?

Feb 22 at 4:58pmTusky
Show threadJWcph, Radicalized By DecencyFeb 22
@Downes So, you're an idiot?
Show threadDownes 🍁Feb 22
@jwcph What kind of response is that?
Show threadMattChippyteaFeb 22
@Downes @jwcph I don’t understand what you’re saying here.
Show threadDownes 🍁Feb 22

@Wifiwits @jwcph

Dump trucks are a tool. If we lose dump trucks, then we no longer have the ability & skills required to move large loads of gravel. Therefore, according to the general principle cited ( "If loss of a tool = loss of your skill & knowledge, then that tool isn't an asset, it's a liability") it follows that dump trucks are a liability.

But, of course, dump trucks are not a liability. They make it possible to do what we could not do before. Same with LLMs.

Show threadJWcph, Radicalized By DecencyFeb 23
@Downes @Wifiwits Good Lord, are you *trying* to be this dense, or does it come naturally?
Show threadDownes 🍁Feb 23
@jwcph @Wifiwits Is this your style? Just insult the other person? That's boring.
Show threadJWcph, Radicalized By DecencyFeb 23
@Downes @Wifiwits Only people who go out of their way to deserve it.
Show threadMattChippyteaFeb 23
@Downes @jwcph that analogy doesn’t work at all. These things are not comparable and I’m sure you know this so I can only assume you’re not contributing in good faith here.
Show threadDownes 🍁Feb 23

@Wifiwits @jwcph I am aware that dump trucks are not the same as LLMs. However, the original statement said "If loss of a tool..." and both dump trucks and LLMs are tools.

The original principle sounds appealing, but the appeal comes from its generality. But it is too broad. It captures too much. So we have to ask, why would this principle apply to LLMs if it doesn't apply to dump trucks?

Try not to respond with insults. It's far more interesting to actually engage with the point being made.

Show threadJWcph, Radicalized By DecencyFeb 23
@Downes @Wifiwits Try reading the original posts & also to not be an arrogant dick. That way you're far less likely to be insulted.
Show threadDownes 🍁Feb 23
@jwcph @Wifiwits I did read the posts. You're a woodworker. You apply the logic of the tools you use to other things. It doesn't work. You know it, and that's why you're getting defensive and lashing out.
Show threadJWcph, Radicalized By DecencyFeb 23
@Downes @Wifiwits Go fuck yourself.