WanderWisley

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https://lemmy.world/post/43415486

Feb 21 at 3:56pmWeb
Show threadgivesomefucksFeb 21

I’ll never understand why someone could actually want to put effort into dividing the American populace from the America military.

Like, even if you don’t know about how many non US citizens are in the US military…

It’s seems obvious that the better plan would be getting military on the side of the citizens and not the fascists rather than driving the military towards the fascists.

I’ve been trying to figure out a reason for a while, because these posts aren’t uncommon.

But I can’t come up with a reason that wouldn’t be against civility rules if I posted it.

Show threadLucky_777Feb 21

The issue is congress really. They have the power to stop anything the President does. Sadly too many Republicans are loyal to Trump alone and not the regular people.

Only hope is a flip in the midterm and Trump gets neutered. We’ll see.

Show threadgivesomefucksFeb 21

The issue is congress really. They have the power to stop anything the President does. Sadly too many Republicans are loyal to Trump alone and not the regular people.

Which is “kind of” the reason we should be getting the military on the side of the people and not chasing them into the arms of fascism because they have nowhere else to go…

Like, fucking obviously man…

What you’re saying is the reason I said what I said in the first place.

Only hope

That is not the “only” hope, it’s the most pain free “good” option. Saying because that option exists means we out all our eggs in that basket, is even dumber than literally putting all our eggs in one basket.

We can’t just kick our heels up and hope this works, we work on this and the next 27 different plans that would sequentially be the least painfree while arriving at the “good” result.

I dunno, I’m just venting. It’s fucking depressing that every comment is a choice between “too long no one will read” and “if you don’t mention everything obvious, you’ll have to later”.

Show threaddanc4498Feb 21
The Iraq war the way the Republicans (especially in the military) defended George W Bush and continued to support republicans after the as mind boggling.
Show threadMatty RosesFeb 22
Iraq wasn’t just the GOP. Most Democratic leaders - including Hillary Clinton and Biden - supported and voted for it
Show threadGardenVarietyAnxietyFeb 21
This meme made me feel empathetic to those in the military, not divided.
Show threadmycodesucksFeb 21

Because you can never trust or rely on an ally who’s on your side because you are being nice to them instead of because they have some kind of scruples.

It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.

Show threadgivesomefucksFeb 22

It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.

Buddy…

If you think the only two options are bing antognistic or “sucking up”…

Well, sounds like you are a recent example of the American education system

Show threadmycodesucksFeb 22

I didn’t say that, and I’ll thank you not to put words in my mouth. Also not to be a dick, but I’ll settle for the first one

What I SAID was, specifically changing your behavior to gain the support of someone whose loyalties are so flaky that they’ll change sides because of your behavior in the first place is a pointless exercise.

Show threadgivesomefucksFeb 22

I didn’t say that

No, that’s how quoting works, you literally said:

Because you can never trust or rely on an ally who’s on your side because you are being nice to them instead of because they have some kind of scruples.

It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.

You said it’s one or the other.

And now you’re saying that people shouldnt have went by the literal words you typed, you’ve retroactively changed what you meant because that rationalize is easier than admitting you were wrong.

I hope you stop imitating our president someday, but I’ll never know. Because you just get belligerent like he does too, and I’m not dealing with that shit.

Show threadAlexanderTheDeadFeb 22

It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.

You said it’s one or the other.

No, actually, this is how quoting works. See how, quite literally, they never said it was one or the other? You just made that up.

Show threadMinnesotaGoddamFeb 22
Show threadAlexanderTheDeadFeb 22
Hey what the fuck man! I was looking forward to arguing more! You can’t kick me out!
Show threadMinnesotaGoddamFeb 22
This isn’t arguments, this is abuse. You want room 7a upstairs
Show threadOwOarchistFeb 22

Hello, I’m here for my abuse appointment?

Oh, it looks like you’re already busy.

Show threadMinnesotaGoddamFeb 22
No listen you malodorous pervert I’ve just had an opening would you like a license
Show threadZos_KiaFeb 22

Abrasive comments like that, with no content whatsoever apart from insults, are really the lowest points of the Lemmy experience.

No willingness to share or accept any information, just pure sodium. Despicable really.

Show threadgivesomefucksFeb 22

I have similar feelings with people who put more importance on tone policing while fucking fascists are building concentration camps.

But here we are and that’s what you’re doing

So I usually put one last hail mary comment, because you understanding this is more important than how nice you think someone is:

If you think the message would be better received another way, fucking try that

Don’t try and insist that every spreads the message the same way, because that’s a recipe for it not reaching large parts of the population.

Show threadZos_KiaFeb 22

And here it is. Of course a person like you isn’t gonna reread the thread and go “oh boy i kinda went overboard on this one and went straight for the jugular, i guess i was in a foul mood”.

Nah. Of course you’re gonna write a whole fanfic about how you’re actually trying to maximize good by… telling someone whose point you barely understand that they are “a recent example of the American education system” and “imitating our president someday”.

And you do that, not because you have poor impulse control and emotion management, but because really you are fighting the good fight and trying to spread a positive message to the masses.

What a fucking useless way to spend calories.

Show threadarchitectFeb 22
You know how annoying it is to read these long ass diatribes of bullshit? On top of it: you’re wrong!
Show threadEndlessNightmareFeb 22
The fascists are the ones who are sending the military personnel to face injury and death. How would this not drive the military away from the fascists?
Show threadMinnesotaGoddamFeb 22
There is a certain mindset in the military that believes the military is being wasted if they aren’t being actively used. Not everyone, but enough.
Show threadEndlessNightmareFeb 22
Well, you can’t fix stupid. And it’s a fool’s errand to try.
Show threadTolcFeb 22
Americans wont be able to do shit regardless
Show threadgivesomefucksFeb 22

You can’t think of anything they could do.

That’s different and it’s incredible naive for you to think the only things that could happen are the things you can think of.

Show threadarchitectFeb 22
If you can be divided against the people you claim to sacrifice your life for then that’s a promise you broke not them.
Show threadsupersquirrelFeb 21
We are going to make daddy proud!
Show threadOldManBOMBINFeb 21
Flag should be upside-down at this point I believe
Show threadslothropFeb 21
SCOTUS Justice Roberts flew an inverted flag at his residence in support of the Big Lie.
Wonder what his thoughts may be today…
Show threadVitoRoblesFeb 21
I’ll never understand people who rage against the machine who are part of the machine.
Show threadfartographerFeb 21
Rage and the Machine
Show threadFrozengyroFeb 21
People tend to see themselves as the hero and/or victim pretty much all the time
Show threadSchmooFeb 21
The multitude of marks that support a fascist regime get the emotion right and the facts wrong, making them useful idiots for the ideological fascists as they will fight to defend the fascist state with the same zeal with which they ought to oppose it. The environment of fear that fascism creates ends up fueling their hatred because the virtual reality that fascist propaganda maintains for them allows them to misattribute all their negative emotions to the enemies of the state.
Show threadHootinNHollerinFeb 21
Do the good deed and hit up their spouses on the dating apps
Show threadWhostosayFeb 21
We already are lmao
Show threadMinnesotaGoddamFeb 22
I should ask my wife if we can adopt a Jodi
Show threadMatty RosesFeb 22
Deploy the Jodie Brigade
Show threadPalmTreeIsBestTreeFeb 21
More war in the sandbox coming soon
Show threadorioler25Feb 21
Why did you call it that?
Show threadFrChazzzFeb 21
Not the poster, but I’m going to assume they say so because: “Middle East has lots of sand = sandbox” with the additional layer of meaning of “sandbox” as a place where children play and make stuff up, implying (perhaps) that the Middle East tends to be the place where the wealthy and powerful “play around,” treating the people who live there (and the war machine they bring to it) as toys for their (sick) amusement. At least this is how I read it.
Show threadorioler25Feb 22
Yes, I’m saying that using the term is obviously problematic as it has been used to devalue the space in dozens of countries and the lives of millions of people. This commenter made this comment as though they’re critical of US imperialism but reproduced its enforced understanding of these regions.
Show threadOwOarchistFeb 22
It’s fairly common slang among people in the military. With “going to play in the sandbox” being a euphemism for a deployment in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Show threadorioler25Feb 22
Yes. That is the problem I’m pointing out. The slang used by imperialist soldiers shouldnt be used by people who claim to criticize imperialism.
Show threadDoomsiderFeb 22

It is really hard not to let the oppressors lexicon invade yours and in that act change your message in subtle ways.

For instance, using a term like bleeding-heart. They also do their best to obscure words and change their meaning. Think of woke or feminism as examples.

Show threadorioler25Feb 22
Yes, so it’s good to point it out when people do it.
Show threadtempestFeb 21
I don’t know. I’ve been told they are “just a bunch of suckers” so /shrug
Show threadGhostieFeb 21
In about 10 years they’re are going to be a bunch of movies about how depressed soldiers got doing it.
Show threadFurbagFeb 22
He called you losers and suckers and you still enlisted. Not going to shed a salty tear for lives lost in the new middle eastern quagmire.
Show threadOwOarchistFeb 22
A lot of them joined during the Biden administration.
Show threadMatty RosesFeb 22
One of the main cheerleaders of the Iraq War. The point stands.
Show threadDoomsiderFeb 22
RIP all the innocents that are currently dying and will die from this administration of death and debauchery.
Show threadTractorDuffyFeb 22
…are you making fun of soldiers instead of the administration that deployed them? I feel sorry for your family.
Show threadChonkFeb 22
Certainly not making fun of soldiers but feeling sorry for what they have to do
Show threadTractorDuffyFeb 22
uh, I was talking to OP…
Show threadBinturongFeb 22
Did… did you think it’s just the two of you on here and you’re talking in private?
Show threadStupidBrotherInLawFeb 22

Isn’t that how the Internet works? It’s a series of tubes and you’re forcing yourself into their tubes!

/s

Show threadTractorDuffyFeb 22
do you think the “/s” is necessary? “the Internet … it’s a series of tubes” isn’t something people will take literally. No offense, but do you struggle with social interaction? Let me know please
Show threadStupidBrotherInLawFeb 22

You’ve been trolling on Lemmy for three months, at least 90 days, and that weak shite is the best you can come up with? The only thing that’s offensive here is how sad and boring it is.

/s…?

Show threadJaxFeb 22
Yeesh, if you’re going to ragebait you need to try harder
Show threadAHamSandwichFeb 22
TIL there is a bottom of the barrel for trolling.