How do you personally determine if someone is a good or bad person?
How do you personally determine if someone is a good or bad person?
Although philosophers who embrace moral realism will have different views, my takeaway is that it is much harder to be a virtuous moral agent than the layperson assumes.
That said, if I find that a person often puts their own interests above those of everyone else, this is a good indication of questionable character.
This you?
It’s impossible to be perfect, and virtue will be disregarded at times, but I think it’s not that difficult to be above the threshold we all naturally understand
This is a practical mindset to have but allow me to say more about where I think the difficulty lies. 1) We commonly do immoral things. 2) The right thing to do isn’t always clear. Let’s consider each in turn.
To be a morally virtuous persons, it seems you have to be willing to go against the common practices of your own time and you must also be knowledgeable enough to make correct moral judgements. This is a tall order for most of us to achieve.
Easy. By what they say and do.
I assume everyone is good by default, and I’ll usually let a tasteless joke slide once, because we all occasionally put our foot in mouth.
If their actions and words don’t mesh with my own moral compass, they aren’t a person I associate with any more than necessary.
THIS is the answer. You can tell a lot about a person on how they treat people that they cannot use to make themselves richer or look better.
When you die, you will bring no money with you. You will bring no material items. Your words will be forgotten. Your name will eventually crawl its way back into the abyss of non-existence from where it came along with all the others. The ONLY thing that will have mattered in the slightest in your measly and momentary existence is how you made others feel. To live a life with any sort of self-importance is to rob yourself of the only thing that matters in the entirety of the known universe.
I don’t judge persons (because I’m not in their head), I look at their actions.
Also, I tend to steer away from the ‘good’ vs ‘bad’ (persons, thoughts, sexuality, religion, and so on) that were and still way too often used to hurt people one doesn’t like or agree with.
Louis Rossman had a video years ago that really got me looking at people differently. An obvious sign for him is how they treat animals. animals sadly are often the ultimate litmus test for ones morality. I find that respecting an animal, its boundries and its emotions is a thing only possible when youve developed a (imo) basic sense of empathy, that for pets and animals cant be expressed verbally.
Think of times when a person was trying to force an animals to behave in a particular way purely for self intrest. Or if someone you know outright denies the complex emotions of animals. I am by no means an animal rights activist and i often can be heard yelling at my dog to stop barking or etc. But i think even if we “own” them most good people dont think of pets as propperty, status symbols, or entertainment.
the moment i see behavior like this I try to correct and if they actively fight me on it or make no attempt to improve. I will disconnect from them entirely, not worth it. If thats how you treat family, i dont want to see how you treat friends.
Oh no, my puddle of depression is gonna become a tsunami of depression.
A society of "me"s is cooked. Unable to do anything because its too scary to go outside.
If they lie all the time, they are probably willing to do other awful things as well.
If they are willing to steal outside of a desperate situation, if they treat someone who’s been good to them awful, if they treat those beneath them awfuly, if they judge based on location, race, etnicity, etc. If they put whatever fantasy world they live in, over reality (antivaxxers and such, and yes religious people).
If they co-operated with Jeffrey Epstein, they only belong in the woodchipper.
Antivaxx mom let’s baby die of mumps, because God wanted us to live (and die) natural lives, India citizen drinks infected, dirty lake water, because “holy water can’t be dirty”.
Ok, so you found some way to cope with life, and you believe in some deity or whatever, that’s a you thing. But then, you start getting people killed over what is a belief, when you can clearly see with your own eyes that it is not working.
Was it really worth it?
Good people:
Take time to listen to others even if it’s something they don’t agree with, they want to understand the other person before they want to performatively argue.
Treat others with kindness, and everyone equally, no matter their age, race or social standing.
Make sure people are treated fairly by others even if it’s very small gestures like noticing you said something nobody heard and calling attention to it.
Care about how they make other people. I mean, it should be obvious but apparently a LOT of people took all the wrong lessons from their saturday morning cartoons and care more about being emotionally vindicated and somehow still think they’re the good ones, a tendency that covers every side of every population or group.
I don’t like to think of people as immutably good or bad, but I get what you meant.
There’s a bunch of factors.
So, someone who lies, is cruel, doesn’t care about anyone else, and leaves the world a mess is being a pretty bad person.
Someone who just keeps their head down, goes to work, and is polite to people they meet is kind of middling.
If a person operates as if nothing is unconditional and they expect something in return or else you are deemed worthless, they’re a fucking cunt.
If a person continually makes a situation about themselves even when it’s 100% not, that’s a red flag.
If they whine and complain to get what they want or have others do for them, they’re a bad person.
Yelling at a newborn baby in a punishing manner as if they have any understanding of anything.
I’ve always struggled with it, so I’ve learned to ask someone better at character judgement than I.
I used to check with my dog. Then I met my wife and found out over a year how moral she was and how consistently she applied those morals. Now I ask her.
You really don’t know until you need something from them.
But even good people may not be able to help you if they’re not able to right that moment.
Finding good willing people seems to be more of a numbers game.
In addition to some of the other criteria mentioned, some other indicators of a bad person are:
The [fundamental attribution error)[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error] explains why we perceive people to be good or bad.
I know you said to just downvote, but I really strongly believe the world would be a much better place if people tried to understand the motivations of others, rather than trying to categorise them as good or bad people.
if people tried to understand the motivations of others,
This is essentially my qualifier for “good”.
In my opinion categorizing someone as categorically bad is reductive, lazy thinking.
I’m not saying you need to like pedophile rapists and murderous colonizers.
Merely that going through life categorizing the every day people you meet as good or bad is reductive, lazy thinking and frankly - the basis of undesirable cognitive habits like racism and prejudice.
The people you interact with each day are complex individuals with just as much going on internally as you do. None of them think of themselves as “bad”.
I agree but at some point you have to make a decision, because in your personal life you will trust and stay away from people based on that judgement. Basically, people cross a threshold one way or another, where that lies is somewhat different from everyone (in intensity not direction) but not by much.
Racism is the opposite though: regardless of your deeds, you’re good or bad if you’re part of my personally accepted tribes.
And whether they think themselves as bad when it’s warranted or not is inconsequential. Of course their nasty, vicious deeds are beautiful in their eyes, they’ve taken a million steps away from virtue, they can’t recognise it and if they did they’d have to push away those thoughts or become suicidally regretful.
Do you believe in free will btw? Or is this also part of the equation in your thinking, that people don’t really make any decisions so how can we judge them?