wakest likes your bugs ⁂Feb 17

I don't think people here realized yet how much development has sped up in the "atmosphere*"

I fear for the future of the fediverse if we don't get our shit together in some key areas. The way the lexicon system over there allows interoperability between distinct types of data and interface is really showing now that the developer ecosystem is picking up.

*The network comprised of different stuff that uses AT Proto

Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Feb 17
I have been watching both spaces for many years (almost the beginning of fedi) and Bluesky when it was just a discord room before Jay was chosen. There is a major shift going on where some of the ideas that have been talked about in various shapes across various communities are being implemented with nice interfaces and able to be used by "normal people" aka not people who know how to patch their Linux kernal.
Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Feb 17
Shout out to WAFRN (@admin) and @anewsocial for taking the uncomfortable position of straddling the space inbetween protocols. I think this is truly the strategy that is going to be needed if we want to "win" the push towards an open social web for the whole internet.
Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Feb 17
I will say here again I am very much on team fediverse and the anarchist anticapitalist free culture side of networks. Bluesky has some "help" with dirty money vc bullshit. There are many things Bluesky (the company) is doing that is awful (like verifying ICE ffs and deleting Palestinian accounts) and those are things I have been continuously pointing out as well.
Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Feb 17
Bluesky also has its roots in other anarchist alternative networks. It takes a lot of inspiration from the core architects being involved in SSB (Secure Scuttlebutt)
Show threadDoug WebbFeb 17

@liaizon this story feels a lot like the solid project https://solidproject.org/

Big splash at the beginning, some nerds get involved... but it's been years now, and when I tried to actually use one of the apps using it, UX was atrocious and I had to join a matrix room to get it working. Now I know I'm not the l33test hacker, but come on!

Solid: Your data, your choice - Solid Project

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Show threadRosanoFeb 17
@douginamug @liaizon bsky is already usable by normal people imo, probably will get better from here
Show threadikuturso 🇪🇺Feb 17
@rosano @douginamug @liaizon whether or not the protocol allows for federation they're basically just a centralized platform though. That has let them avoid much of the confusion people have with federation but if they were to ever fulfill the promise of being decentralized they'de have to tackle that issue just like fediverse platforms have to.
Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Feb 17
@ikuturso @rosano @douginamug a lot has changed in recent months on this front.
Show threadikuturso 🇪🇺

@liaizon if you're just referring to there finally being at least one example of all the pieces of the puzzle being run third-party (or close to that) etc. like @rosano seems to be suggesting I think these are still baby steps especially if we are talking about regular people actively using and understanding in significant numbers.

@douginamug

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Show threadikuturso 🇪🇺Feb 17

@liaizon @rosano just to give some examples of the issues end users face even on ATproto when there's decentralization:
- where should I register is still a source of confusion
- you will still run into https://bsky.app/ links that you need to figure out can be accessed through your own app whatever that may be
- your provider going down will still cause you to lose your data unless you've been making backups

The more complex architecture adds even more potential sources of confusion IMO

Bluesky

Social media as it should be. Find your community among millions of users, unleash your creativity, and have some fun again.

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Show threadRosanoFeb 21
@ikuturso @liaizon just learned that tangled is also hosting their own pds in finland (so you can sign up with them directly if you don't want to use a bsky handle). maybe social coding hub is not for the average person but seems important imo https://blog.tangled.org/6-months
6 months of Tangled

a quick recap, and notes on the future