abadideaFeb 13

When I said that your discord clone doesn’t need e2ee, I got a lot of comments along the lines of “ then how would I use it to organize the revolution!” The answer is: you don’t. If you have more users than can comfortably share a Signal chat and hence want to use discord or something like it, you cannot POSSIBLY be vetting all of them to a high standard of trust. Your logs ARE leaking. End-to-end encryption between more people than can fit around a dinner table is pointless.

This article confirms what I already assumed, that “open source [information sense, not code sense] intelligence gathering on social media” includes, for the US government, asking for links to join groups that may *feel* private. My own discord has literally like a thousand idlers. It would be very *lucky* if none of them were logging for potentially nefarious purposes! And I remind the active users of this occasionally.

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-ice-masks-up-in-more-ways

Exclusive: ICE Masks Up in More Ways Than One

Feds could be in your group chat

Ken Klippenstein
Show threadRatsnake Games 🔞Feb 13
@0xabad1dea i also don't think that organizing revolutions is the majority usecase for Discord
Show threadabadideaFeb 13
@ratsnakegames no but this is mastodon so no-one’s sure what other social activities exist
Show threadderptronFeb 13

@0xabad1dea @ratsnakegames I don't understand. Are you saying mastodon users are particularly unaware of the existence of Tor, rheticulum, meshtastic, briar, secure scuttlebutt, signal, jitsi, ...

Reading, fishing, mountain biking, horseshoing, needlework, 3d printing, manafesto writing, martial arts, yoga, karayoki....

Than the people who frequent other places like X or whatnot?

Interesting take if so :p

Show threadMarcial 🇨🇷🇻🇪Feb 13

@crazyeddie @0xabad1dea Generally, yeah, a little bit.

The Fediverse is still by-and-large a place where people REALLY into privacy, F/LOSS, and digital sovereignty come together; I remember a post from someone who tried to get into Lemmy as a Reddit replacement, and lamented the fact that every thread would consistently end up talking about Linux or politics. This is a platform where many don’t realize that their opinions and interests are highly rare IRL.

Show threadderptronFeb 13

@moshimotsu @0xabad1dea So someone shows up and is annoyed that people are talking about unfamiliar topics that go outside of their little box and so they bitch about it and you side with THEM???

While I don't know...I rather appreciate the fact that my really rare hobbies are actually shared by others here and I get to talk about them without people telling me they're stupid and boring and why don't I talk about real wives or what some douchebag streamer said.

Show threadMarcial 🇨🇷🇻🇪
@crazyeddie @0xabad1dea I don’t see any sides to take; it IS great that there’s a space for people with more niche hobbies to be find each other (I’d be hard pressed to find as many F/LOSS advocates on corporate social media!) But the topic HERE is of people trying to consider what it would take to make a F/LOSS alt to a corporate product—ideologues like ourselves will be less apt to figure out what that is for the layperson, since we AREN’T the layperson.
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Show threadMarcial 🇨🇷🇻🇪Feb 13

@crazyeddie I also don’t know that denigrating someone else’s interests does any good in mainstreaming the spaces we consider the ethical alternatives to corporate social media… that’s the kind of elitism that keeps people away, leaving them to the platforms that fund genocides and steal data. Because the alternatives aren’t fun to be on.

It also exemplifies what I mean about not being the layperson, since the interests of Discord’s user base aren’t interests WE share.

Show threadderptronFeb 13

@moshimotsu @0xabad1dea So the corporate folk keep telling me. I'm rather regretting that I ever paid any mind to that bullshit at all. I would have done a MUCH better job of this shit.

Whatever though. If they're right I don't give a shit anymore.