your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦Feb 12

I CANNOT BELIEVE I HAVE TO SAY THIS:

the purpose of a voter identification card is not only to suppress the vote, but to TRACK the vote.

voter id laws in the United States have ALWAYS come down to fascists wanting to know who is voting AND FOR WHOM, so they can suppress those votes.

the SAVE Act is not only a voter suppression law, but it’s #MAGA #fascists wanting to codify that Americans do not have a right to a secret vote ―which is a HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION

#VotingRightsAct #USpol

Show threadTimberwolf GRCFeb 12

@blogdiva I don't live in the US so I am not in the position to agree or disagree with your statement.
however in Australia we are registered to vote. We tick off our name, grab a bit of paper. The paper is placed into a sealed cardboard box with every other person's vote. There is no ID on the paper. So it is fairly easy to have a verified voter without being able to track the vote.

Can you please educate me as to why voter identification is so problematic in the US?

Show threadkingmothFeb 12
@Timberwolf @blogdiva Same here, I voted in Slovenia and France and an ID was always required and a signature on a list was mandatory (you have an assigned location to vote). After that since the bulletin is anonymous there is no way your vote can be tracked.
Show thread2xfoFeb 12
@kingmoth @Timberwolf @blogdiva
Many US states require a voter to register under a party to allow them to participate in that party's primaries so you wind up with a database of individuals associated with their political preferences.
And having ID to vote is one thing but it's often the kind of ID that get accepted that can make the difference. Like states that allow a concealed weapons permit as voting ID but not a college ID.
Even further, it's pretty common before big elections for Republicans to run a bunch of bills to reduce the number of eligible voters in specific elections, voters that they can pretend to select for arbitrary reasons, but that were actually well calculated from the registration data to have specific and meaningful effects on the election results
Show threadTimberwolf GRC

@RnDanger @kingmoth @blogdiva

Thank you for the explanation. It is interesting. Do they accept a drivers license, passport or birth certificate ?

e.g something that doesn't provide any information that could be misused ?

I'm assuming that a reasonable majority of both major parties drive cars but I could be wrong.

Can you see a reasonable mechanism where you can guarantee citizens get a single vote but foreigners or people trying to vote twice can't ?

Feb 12 at 10:41pmWeb
Show thread2xfoFeb 12

@Timberwolf @kingmoth @blogdiva
"Can you see a reasonable mechanism where you can guarantee citizens get a single vote but foreigners or people trying to vote twice can't ?"

Can't? No. Don't with any real effect? Yes.

I think ideally everyone should get one vote but the system we have doesn't allow that. But it does require voters to attest their right to vote, and in some states people have been sent to prison for being confused by changes to their voting rights. So it works as well as it wants to 🫠

Show thread2xfoFeb 12
@Timberwolf @kingmoth @blogdiva
A lot of people have driver's licenses but in inner city areas and among younger voters the rate usually goes down. And that ID costs time and money to get. Some states that require voting ID will give free IDs at the DMV but I've only heard bad stories about people actually trying to get one
Show threadTimberwolf GRCFeb 12

@RnDanger @kingmoth @blogdiva Yikes. That does sound quite complicated.

So is it fair to say people don't object to the concept of presenting ID.

It's more that there isn't a cost effective "general' form of ID and if you use what you have available then there is a non-trivial risk associated with it ?

For a country where freedom is front and center it seems more challenging than I would have anticipated.