OLD THREAD REPOST: A brief history of the practice of "sex verification" in sport.

This thread will mention anti-intersex discrimination, FGM practices and body shaming.

The story of sex verification in sport begins with the original Olympic games in Ancient Greece. Let us take you back to around 400BCE, and a woman named Kallipateira...

The original Olympics were distinctly men-only. Women weren't even allowed to cross the river Alpheios during the Games. The penalty was death if they dared.

Kallipateira was a widow, and her son was boxing in the Olympics. She wanted to support him, so disguised herself as his trainer.

Her son won, and Kallipateira was STOKED. To celebrate, she jumped over a fence to congratulate him. And in what was probably a hilariously slapstick pratfall, her clothes fell off, exposing her as a woman.

Remember, the penalty for a woman being anywhere near the Olympics was death.

Luckily, the story had a happy ending. Everyone was so stoked for the son and they respected her deceased husband, so they let Kallipateira live.

But to ensure it never, never happened again and the Olympics remained free from girl cooties, a new rule was introduced: like competitors, trainers had to attend the Games naked.

Getting naked, as we'll see later in the thread, is going to be a recurring theme of this history of "sex verification".
We'll now fast forward about two and a half millennia to the 1930s, when concerns began to be raised about men disguising themselves as women to compete in women's categories.
At least three men did compete in women's categories in the 20s and 30s, but not in the direction of their concerns: Zdeněk Koubek, Mark Weston and Heinrich Ratjen were assigned female at birth, raised as girls and were what we might call trans men in today's language.

All three men were living as women when they competed in the Olympics, but later changed their names and pronouns. Koubek and Weston had genital reconstruction surgery, and Ratjen said he'd known he was a boy since he was a child.

It's likely that all three athletes were intersex.

By the 1950s, it was decided that women competing in sport should submit to sex verification. In the 50s, this took the form of what was known colloquially as "nude parades". It did what it said on the tin. Women stood before someone who inspected their naked bodies.

These tests were mandatory. If you wanted to compete, you had to show your naked body to strangers.

In 1968, the method of testing changed to something less invasive but still problematic: chromosome testing. All athletes competing in women's categories were tested for the presence of a Y chromosome.

This practice of mandatory chromosome testing at the Olympics continued until the late 1990s, with one single, solitary woman exempted: Princess Anne.

It was deemed "inappropriate" for the Princess Royal, daughter of the Queen, a descendant of Odin, to have to undergo sex verification, when every other woman athlete had to submit to the process in order to compete.

The consequences for "failing" a sex verification test have been dire. Women were banned from competing, shamed and humiliated and subjected to endless speculation about their bodies. Intimate medical details of women were leaked to the media, and for some athletes, even long after their careers were completed, details of their genitals would be published, taken from autopsy reports.

This is, presumably, why it was decided it would be very inappropriate to subject a princess to such treatment.

After mandatory chromosome testing fell from favour "sex verification" shifted once again. It is now undertaken on the basis of "suspicion". Testing focuses more on hormones than chromosomes.

In 1996, the last blanket testing Olympics, 1 in 429 women athletes were found to have complete androgen insensitivity syndrome, where you have a Y chromosome but develop with a vagina, vulva and breasts as your body doesn't react to testosterone.

In the general, non-athlete population, incidence of CAIS is more like 1 in 20,000 people. So is testosterone really even that much of a performance enhancer if women who don't respond to it are overrepresented in sport? That's unclear.

What is more clear is that the problems which existed in the past of sex verification continue to persist. Intimate medical details are leaked. Invasive and medically unnecessary procedures are undertaken. There are reports of women athletes undergoing sterilisation procedures and partial clitoridectomies (removal of part of the clitoris) in order to compete.

In the 1960s, suspicions about women and leaking of private information focused disproportionately on women from Eastern Europe.

In the present day, there remains a discrepancy, but focus has shifted to scrutiny and speculation on women from the Global South.

Concerns about privacy, discrimination, coercion and informed medical consent surrounding the practice of sex verification have been raised by human rights groups, although the practice persists.

In the entire history of formalised sex verification in women's sport from the 50s to the present day, do you know how many instances of men disguising themselves in order to sneak into women's sport they've found? Zero.

And in men's sport, the practice of sex verification has not existed at all in the two and a half millennia since the story of Kallipateira.

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Fake bears sound awesome.

@basic70 @vagina_museum

@praxiscode Some of those bears the Americans keep and arm may be fakes.
@vagina_museum sex apartheid in sports is stoopid anyway. All sports are mixed sports.
@vagina_museum
As a national team member I did a cheek swab in the early 90s.
That it has **never** applied to mens' sports shows it's about controlling women's bodies: appearance, size, strength, accomplishments.
I'm angrier about it now than I was when it happened.
@abendgules @vagina_museum
Logic check: it doesn't.
@Photo55 @abendgules @vagina_museum just saying the policy explicitly designed to determine whos 'woman enough' to be in shit, which is always said in the context of excluding certain women you dont like, is infact about controlling womens bodies, and saying "logic check: it doesn't" doesn't make it not about that. and i can just as easily say " logic check: it completley fucking does, " and be actually correct, as .. thats the entire point?

@Li @abendgules @vagina_museum
That might be the intention or underlying reason.
I can see the potential to wander off into an etymological maze, for which I have no enthusiasm.
However, one aim being consistent with a test does not extend to demonstrating that is the aim, or the only aim.

I suspect we shall cease defining sports as mens and women's.

The face claim that the purpose was to preclude men who regarded themselves as men pretending to be women and gaining prizes is not excluded.

@[email protected] @abendgules @vagina_museum
the purpose of a system is what it does.

this is what it does;

> The face claim that the purpose was to preclude men who regarded themselves as men pretending to be women and gaining prizes is not excluded.

yes it is; claiming they are 'men' is the "excluding certain women you don't like" part.

its saying "woman" or "man" is testable to begin with and can just be determined with testing, which is bioessentialism, and will exclude certain women who dont feel into whatever bullshit category they made up.

fuck off and stop being deliberately obtuse around transphobia

@abendgules @vagina_museum
Suppose for a moment it did apply to men.
What is then the purpose of that test?[0]

Assertion:
males after puberty have advantages in some sports.
Corollary: females[1] eg joining a male Rugby/downhill ski/Judo team do not obtain any unfair advantage by it.

Bye now.

[0] assuming that a purpose other than annoying, demeaning etc more people is at least pretended, if only to justify expenditure.
[1] for any definition I can think of, it is not narrowly defined.

@vagina_museum And now in the US female athletes in Florida have to submit records of their periods or else they cannot compete. Same devil, different cloak.
@vagina_museum Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
@johnelalamo whichever way you look at it, it means that the testing is either useless or pointless.

@johnelalamo @vagina_museum This oft-parrotted maxim is not applicable under circumstances where presence should be expected to produce evidence. The absence of any evidence of an elephant in my garden is _very good_ evidence for the absence of elephants from my garden.

Thorough testing of untold thousands of athletes is such a combination of circumstances.

@johnelalamo @vagina_museum John Robinson personally punched me in the face yesterday.

...what's that? you didn't and I have no evidence of that, you say? well, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I am very smart

@YKantRachelRead @johnelalamo @vagina_museum no way, what a coincidence, John Robinson also punched me in the face yesterday! now two people are saying it, it must have happened

@johnelalamo @vagina_museum so if i understand correctly .. the evil men "sneak into womens sports" then do .. absolutely nothing notable while there, .. and everyone gets by just fine?

since otherwise we'd atleast know something happened even if not 'who' or whatever .. or ..

@[email protected] certainly, but in this case it is the only evidence there is, as there cannot be evidence of absence.
by definition, only presence leaves traces, so if there are no traces, and there hasn't been for so long, then it is rather safe to say that there is no such thing. or at least that there hasn't been.
@johnelalamo
Let me get this correct you are saying that a man has taken HRT/had feminizing surgery and managed to fake chromosome/hormone/naked testing and did all of this without anyone noticing?
@vagina_museum

@vagina_museum @cascheranno I'm in favor of Neil deGrasse Tyson's idea: group people by ability, not sex. If you can run a 4-minute mile, you're in the group of people who clock similar times.

Segregation by sex tacitly assumes one sex performs better than another. Which is nonsense. Even if that were true, grouping by ability would have no effect on the fairness of the contest.