Show threadR.L. Dane    šŸµ Feb 8

@kabel42 @amin @sotolf @thedoctor @mirabilos

Interesting! I wonder what kind of algorithmic optimizations (as opposed to compiler optimizations) they're using to do that, and if regular (GNU/BSD) grep could do the same.

Because I'll wear clown shoes and a tutu before changing to a "rewrite the world in rust!" utility šŸ˜‚

Show threadkabel42Feb 8
@rl_dane @amin @sotolf @thedoctor @mirabilos From what little i have read, some assumptions about what you are greping and different defaults. Doing the same in existing grep would probably break compatibility.
Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@kabel42 @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos Ah, so it's basically cheating, I mean, it does work, and I do it often when I create small tools, with the excuse that "It wasn't meant for that"
Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@sotolf @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos Is it cheating, if it is the second sentence in you README.md?
"ripgrep will respect gitignore rules and automatically skip hidden files/directories and binary files. (To disable all automatic filtering by default, use rg -uuu.)"
or, you didn't want to grep in .git anyway you are just too lazy to look up the flag to skip that
Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@kabel42 @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos All optimisation are just different ways of cheating ;)
Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@sotolf @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos doesn't cheating imply that you are dishonest about it?
Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@kabel42 @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos I don't know, it might be just that my mother-tongue's word for it "jukse" also has a connotation of taking the easy way out or a shortcut instead of doing the whole thing. And I transferred that over to english.
Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@sotolf @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos could be the same for German, where you have the choice of "Schummeln" and "BetrĆ¼gen" :)
Show threadsotolfFeb 9

@kabel42 @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos Yeah, cheating as in Schummeln, not as in BetrĆ¼gen.

I also saw now when looking the word up that it comes from german "juxen" which is "playing around, having fun" which is kind of a fun way that the word has been wandering :)

Show threadmirabilosFeb 9
@sotolf @rl_dane @kabel42 @thedoctor @amin cheating can be Schummeln but I think it is usually somewhat more down the scale towards BetrĆ¼gen, unless explicit in e.g. game
night context
Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@mirabilos @sotolf @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin
If using assumptions for optimization is cheating, is using Newtonian physics cheating?
Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin I mean, I cheat going to work each day, since I'm taking some shortcuts along the way :)
Show threadmirabilosFeb 9

@sotolf @kabel42 @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin thereā€™s meanings of to take a shortcut that arenā€™t related to cheating ;)

Consider a Venn diagram between both; they merely overlap, not subset.

Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@mirabilos @sotolf @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin but both are, using assumptions to use a simpler model, right?
Show threadmirabilosFeb 9
@kabel42 @sotolf @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin itā€™s more like: if you translate, you have to consider meaning. If you, for example, take the word Quelle (in the meaning of ā€œorigin of citationā€ and translate it to Dutch, you get ā€œbronā€. If you translate ā€œbronā€ back to German, you get Brunnen. This does not mean you could substitute the word Brunnen in the original German text, despite Brunnen and Quelle (in the sense of where water comes from the ground) are the same thing, even in German.
Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@mirabilos @kabel42 @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin And this is one of the reasons why machine translation is as garbage as it is, it can't keep the context well enough, and find recipe sites with recipies for "Informationskapslen" statt Kekse..
Show threadmirabilosFeb 9
@sotolf @kabel42 @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin ā€žkein Weltraum links auf dem GerƤtā€œ. ā€žPfeife zerbrochen.ā€œ
Show threadmirabilosFeb 9
@sotolf @kabel42 @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin (and this is why I run my computers including Smartphone on English, or rather, the original language if I know it)
Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@mirabilos @kabel42 @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin Yeah, sadly with how the world is now, normally the english translation, if there is one is way better than any other ones, which they do with machine translation or something else, even worse with small languages, some times they just decide that norwegian and danish is basically the same, so we just relabel the translation and that's good enough, or you end up with something that must have been translated with a dictionairy and having never used the language before like this:
Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@sotolf @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin a good translation would be different for english and american
Show threadsotolfFeb 9

@kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin

English (Traditional)
English (Simplified)

Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@sotolf @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin yes :)
although there is a lot of simplification still available
Show threadsotolfFeb 9

@kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin

Yeah the fucker that decided that "ennui" is a good word should be taken behind the shed...

Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@sotolf @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin i've never seen that word :)
Show threadsotolfFeb 9

@kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin

It says ennui, is pronounced "ahn-wie" and just means "sadness" :p

Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@sotolf @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin so not english? https://dict.leo.org/german-english/ennui
ennui - Translation in LEOā€™s English ā‡” German Dictionary

Learn the translation for ā€˜ennuiā€™ in LEOā€™s Ā­English ā‡” GermanĀ­ dictionary. With noun/verb tables for the different cases and tenses āœ“ audio pronunciation and relevant forum discussions āœ“ free vocabulary trainer āœ“

Show threadsotolfFeb 9

@kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin

Is english, but a loanword from french, which explains the fucked pronounciation :P

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ennui

Definition of ENNUI

Definition of 'ennui' by Merriam-Webster

Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@sotolf @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin it's always the french with the weird spelling, can someone teach french sensible spelling?
Show threadthedoctorFeb 9

@kabel42 Sure because there's absolutely nothing weird about English spelling whatsoever.

@sotolf @mirabilos @rl_dane @amin

Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@thedoctor @kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @amin 99% of the time you look into the etymology and see that the word originally came from french :p
Show threadsotolfFeb 9

@thedoctor @kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @amin

It's like that in german as well, you have some words with a fucked up spelling, like Taille and Medaille, and of course they come from france, in Norwegian we did make them more sense spelling them "talje" and "medalje" :)

Show threadmirabilosFeb 9
@sotolf @thedoctor @kabel42 @rl_dane @amin Fahrkarte in Cymraeg is simply ā€œtocynā€, pronounced ā€œtokənā€
Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@mirabilos @thedoctor @kabel42 @rl_dane @amin It's kind of funny that if you directly translate Fahrkarte to norwegian you get "FĆørerkort" which means license (FĆ¼hrerschein) while the we use billett for the ticket for some reason.
Show threadmirabilosFeb 9

@sotolf @thedoctor @kabel42 @rl_dane @amin the Swiss use billett (with their usual emphasis on the first syllable), itā€™s french.

Dutch (possibly Flemish) is funny, rijbewijs or something like thatā€¦

Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@mirabilos @sotolf @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin "treinkaartje"?
Show threadmirabilosFeb 9
@kabel42 @sotolf @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin Beweis, daƟ man einen Ritt mitfahren darfā€¦
Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@mirabilos @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin Makes perfect sense, at least more than billett which just means "small ball" or something like that, I love how matter of fact the germanic languages often are, it just makes so much more sense, instead of not understanding something, the meaning of it is simple once you get the parts.
Show threadmirabilosFeb 9
@sotolf @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin does it? I mentally did a connection to the english ā€œbillā€, as in ā€œlā€™additionā€ā€¦ and it is a french-originating word.
Show threadsotolfFeb 9

@mirabilos @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin At least according to my dictionary it does, or maybe I read it wrong now when I reread it :

fra fransk billet, av gammelfransk billette, omdannelse pƄvirket av bille 'kule' av gammelfransk bullette, diminutiv av middelalderlatin bulla; se bulle

(From french billet, from old frenche billette, change influenced of bille 'ball' from old frenche bullette, diminuative of middle age latin bulla; see 'bulle'

Show threadmirabilosFeb 9
@sotolf @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin aaaah, bulle makes sense
Show threadmirabilos
@sotolf @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin and from there (papal seal ā†’ ball(?) of lead/wax/whatever?) the connection to ball gets apparent
Feb 9 at 2:52pmWeb
Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@mirabilos @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin Yeah, bulle in norwegian doesn't mean ox, but a wax seal yeah :p, it's really weird. Ah so you mean the wax clump gets flat and the seal pressed into it the proof? And therefore a flat seal with a proof kind of thing?
Show threadmirabilosFeb 9
@sotolf @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin not ox, the papal ā€œbulleā€ (when the pope writes someone)
Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@mirabilos @sotolf @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin wasn't that spherical sheep horses in vacuum, not cows? 
Show threadmirabilosFeb 9
@kabel42 @sotolf @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin 何ļ¼Ÿ
Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@mirabilos @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin It's quite normal in physics examples to see something like "Assume that this cow is completely spherical in a vacuum for simplicity" which is what kabel is riffing on here ;0
Show threadmirabilosFeb 9

@sotolf @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin ā€¦ ah, okay.

Iā€™m not an academic.

Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@mirabilos @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin Yeah, that one is a bit of a deep cut :)
Show threadkabel42Feb 9
@mirabilos @sotolf @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin referencing some joke about physicists trying to model horse racing with spherical horses in a vacuum.
Show threadsotolfFeb 9
@mirabilos @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin Does that have something to do with the word bulletin as well then probably?
Show threadmirabilosFeb 9
@sotolf @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin probably