R.L. Dane 
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File this under #shell #functions I should have written years ago:
function grepc {
#Do a grep -c, but skipping files with no results
grep -c "$@" |grep -v ':0$'
}
Amin, minor deity of the legume realmOh, didn't know about -c. I usually just pipe to wc -l I guess.
-c, -l, -h, -H, and -q are my favorite #grep flags. :D
Huh, that almost became a [Marcel Duchamp] reference. 😅
I just use -v and -E
sotolf
thedoctor...and bash instead of zsh
...and grep/awk/sed instead of jq
...and firefox instead of chrome
...and the fediverse instead of facebook
Face it... I'm an unpopular-opinion neckbeard level boss. XD
cc: @mirabilos
@thedoctor @rl_dane @amin @mirabilos At least bash and zsh is comparable to grep ripgrep, as zsh is just a strictly better bash ;)
@sotolf @thedoctor @rl_dane @mirabilos
Mm, not really though? ripgrep is meant for bulk grepping of files
@amin @thedoctor @rl_dane @mirabilos I think I had it installed, I just never remembered to use it :p
@sotolf @thedoctor @rl_dane @mirabilos
I mostly just use it to run rg TODO and see all the spots in a codebase I marked as still needing work.
@amin @sotolf @thedoctor @mirabilos
Why is ripgrep better than just grep -R?
kabel42@rl_dane @amin @sotolf @thedoctor @mirabilos it's somehow a lot faster if you want to grep a few GiB of code, like 15 minutes to 30 seconds
@kabel42 @amin @sotolf @thedoctor @mirabilos
Interesting! I wonder what kind of algorithmic optimizations (as opposed to compiler optimizations) they're using to do that, and if regular (GNU/BSD) grep could do the same.
Because I'll wear clown shoes and a tutu before changing to a "rewrite the world in rust!" utility 😂
@rl_dane @amin @sotolf @thedoctor @mirabilos From what little i have read, some assumptions about what you are greping and different defaults. Doing the same in existing grep would probably break compatibility.
@kabel42 @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos Ah, so it's basically cheating, I mean, it does work, and I do it often when I create small tools, with the excuse that "It wasn't meant for that"
@sotolf @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos Is it cheating, if it is the second sentence in you README.md?
"ripgrep will respect gitignore rules and automatically skip hidden files/directories and binary files. (To disable all automatic filtering by default, use rg -uuu.)"
or, you didn't want to grep in .git anyway you are just too lazy to look up the flag to skip that
"ripgrep will respect gitignore rules and automatically skip hidden files/directories and binary files. (To disable all automatic filtering by default, use rg -uuu.)"
or, you didn't want to grep in .git anyway you are just too lazy to look up the flag to skip that
@kabel42 @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos All optimisation are just different ways of cheating ;)
@sotolf @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos doesn't cheating imply that you are dishonest about it?
@kabel42 @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos I don't know, it might be just that my mother-tongue's word for it "jukse" also has a connotation of taking the easy way out or a shortcut instead of doing the whole thing. And I transferred that over to english.
@sotolf @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos could be the same for German, where you have the choice of "Schummeln" and "Betrügen" :)
@kabel42 @rl_dane @amin @thedoctor @mirabilos Yeah, cheating as in Schummeln, not as in Betrügen.
I also saw now when looking the word up that it comes from german "juxen" which is "playing around, having fun" which is kind of a fun way that the word has been wandering :)
mirabilos@sotolf @rl_dane @kabel42 @thedoctor @amin cheating can be Schummeln but I think it is usually somewhat more down the scale towards Betrügen, unless explicit in e.g. game
night context
night context
@mirabilos @sotolf @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin
If using assumptions for optimization is cheating, is using Newtonian physics cheating?
If using assumptions for optimization is cheating, is using Newtonian physics cheating?
@kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin I mean, I cheat going to work each day, since I'm taking some shortcuts along the way :)
@sotolf @kabel42 @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin there’s meanings of to take a shortcut that aren’t related to cheating ;)
Consider a Venn diagram between both; they merely overlap, not subset.
@mirabilos @sotolf @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin but both are, using assumptions to use a simpler model, right?
@kabel42 @sotolf @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin it’s more like: if you translate, you have to consider meaning. If you, for example, take the word Quelle (in the meaning of “origin of citation” and translate it to Dutch, you get “bron”. If you translate “bron” back to German, you get Brunnen. This does not mean you could substitute the word Brunnen in the original German text, despite Brunnen and Quelle (in the sense of where water comes from the ground) are the same thing, even in German.
@mirabilos @kabel42 @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin And this is one of the reasons why machine translation is as garbage as it is, it can't keep the context well enough, and find recipe sites with recipies for "Informationskapslen" statt Kekse..
@sotolf @kabel42 @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin (and this is why I run my computers including Smartphone on English, or rather, the original language if I know it)
@mirabilos @kabel42 @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin Yeah, sadly with how the world is now, normally the english translation, if there is one is way better than any other ones, which they do with machine translation or something else, even worse with small languages, some times they just decide that norwegian and danish is basically the same, so we just relabel the translation and that's good enough, or you end up with something that must have been translated with a dictionairy and having never used the language before like this:
@sotolf @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin a good translation would be different for english and american
@kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin
English (Traditional)
English (Simplified)
@sotolf @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin yes :)
although there is a lot of simplification still available
although there is a lot of simplification still available
@kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin
Yeah the fucker that decided that "ennui" is a good word should be taken behind the shed...
@kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin
It says ennui, is pronounced "ahn-wie" and just means "sadness" :p
@sotolf @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin so not english? https://dict.leo.org/german-english/ennui
@kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin
Is english, but a loanword from french, which explains the fucked pronounciation :P
@sotolf @mirabilos @rl_dane @thedoctor @amin it's always the french with the weird spelling, can someone teach french sensible spelling?
@kabel42 Sure because there's absolutely nothing weird about English spelling whatsoever.
@thedoctor @kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @amin 99% of the time you look into the etymology and see that the word originally came from french :p
@thedoctor @kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @amin
It's like that in german as well, you have some words with a fucked up spelling, like Taille and Medaille, and of course they come from france, in Norwegian we did make them more sense spelling them "talje" and "medalje" :)
@sotolf @thedoctor @kabel42 @rl_dane @amin Fahrkarte in Cymraeg is simply “tocyn”, pronounced “tokən”
@mirabilos @thedoctor @kabel42 @rl_dane @amin It's kind of funny that if you directly translate Fahrkarte to norwegian you get "Førerkort" which means license (Führerschein) while the we use billett for the ticket for some reason.
@sotolf @thedoctor @kabel42 @rl_dane @amin the Swiss use billett (with their usual emphasis on the first syllable), it’s french.
Dutch (possibly Flemish) is funny, rijbewijs or something like that…
@mirabilos @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin Makes perfect sense, at least more than billett which just means "small ball" or something like that, I love how matter of fact the germanic languages often are, it just makes so much more sense, instead of not understanding something, the meaning of it is simple once you get the parts.
@sotolf @mirabilos @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin the frensh is probably because you got a ball as a ticket back when people couldn't read (frensh)
@mirabilos @thedoctor @kabel42 @rl_dane @amin
Ah so they do that as well, one of the marks of my dialect in Norwegian is that we have emphasis always on the first syllable as well :) It's one of the reasons it's kind of easy for people to point at it to be silly and provintial :p
Dutch always have words that look ridiculous the first time you see them, until you try to sound it out and it starts making sense :p
@thedoctor @kabel42 @mirabilos @rl_dane @amin It hit me in the other direction reading an article about the titanic, and coming across a fancy word that I read as "Boulasch" and wandered what the heck that was, probably some fancy french thing, until my wife at that time told me, "You idiot, that's Bullauge" :p
@thedoctor @sotolf @mirabilos @rl_dane @amin its always* the frensh words, the germanic and celtic words are fine :)
@kabel42 @thedoctor @sotolf @rl_dane @amin and (± what kind of pronunciation you use) the latin ones as well, just not those who took a detour through France
@mirabilos @thedoctor @sotolf @rl_dane @amin and then there are the words that used to have sane spelling that got changed because frensh looks high class or something
@kabel42 @thedoctor @sotolf @rl_dane @amin yeah.
Funny thing, I only passed English classes at school because I could derive all¹ the fancy words from Latin, making the teacher think I actually know English…
① a sufficient amount, anyway
@mirabilos @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin
I don't actually know german either, I've just pretended enough around people here that they think they understand me :p
@mirabilos @kabel42 @thedoctor @rl_dane @amin Fits well that I'm in a place that speaks Austro-Bavarian then, it's even more relaxed bavarian than bavarian :P
@sotolf @mirabilos @kabel42 @thedoctor @amin
So... you're basically speaking Norwegian with a German accent to your coworkers? ;)
@rl_dane @sotolf @mirabilos @thedoctor @amin as in, if he told me that it was dutch i would have believed that :)
And that hasn't been a different country for that long
And that hasn't been a different country for that long
@rl_dane @mirabilos @kabel42 @thedoctor @amin Not really, I'm speaking Austro-Bavarian German with an accent, it's more a joke on how I got there, it was a lot of faking, just directly translating a norwegian compound word into german and so on, by now I've been here long enough that people have stopped asking me where I'm from, so if I'm not that great at it, at least I'm speaking it confidently enough that people don't feel like telling me how good I am in german, which happens a lot in the beginning :p
Austro-Bavarian German with an accent
That sounds patently terrifying.
@thedoctor @rl_dane @mirabilos @kabel42 @brakeoutgaming
Well, it's a scandinavian accent :p so that's at least something.
@thedoctor @kabel42 @sotolf @mirabilos @amin
It's a tragedeigh. ;)
@rl_dane @thedoctor @kabel42 @sotolf @amin
/me imagines that spoken with a scottish accent and giggles
@mirabilos @thedoctor @kabel42 @sotolf @amin
Oh man, I wouldn't even know how to guess how a scot would attack that word. 🤭
@sotolf @kabel42 @mirabilos @thedoctor @amin
That's funny, as it mainly means "boredom" in the original French.
Ok, seems that modern French ennui is a cognate to English ennui, not the source. The source is Old French, which has a meaning more similar to the modern English one.
@mirabilos @sotolf @kabel42 @thedoctor @amin
Eh? Boredom is a superpower! Us #GenXers know how to use it. ;)
@mirabilos @sotolf @kabel42 @thedoctor @amin
Well, that's one way of using boredom. Other ways are crafts, hobbies, plotting to take over the world, Pinky...
@kabel42 @mirabilos @sotolf @thedoctor @amin
N—no. Watching media doesn't count. I'm talking about things to do with boredom, not ways to avoid it.
Imagine you're a kid in the 1980s and there's only four channels on TV to watch. You have to find SOMETHING to do with that time. ;)
@rl_dane @mirabilos @sotolf @thedoctor @amin i was very young in the 80s :)
And by the end of them you could park you kid in front of a screen.
And by the end of them you could park you kid in front of a screen.
Nick (Alatar the Blue)@rl_dane @kabel42 @mirabilos @sotolf @thedoctor @amin That level of boredom usually causes me to get into some level of trouble that is directly proportional to the amount of boredom involved.
@alatartheblue @kabel42 @mirabilos @sotolf @thedoctor @amin
That's definitely a plausible outlet ;)