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Jacob Olness Feb 5

Hey, remember that time I said that pointing out that AI is giving bad data to ICE is missing the point because ICE doesn't actually care if the data is good? Check out how right I am.

https://www.wired.com/story/cbp-ice-dhs-mobile-fortify-face-recognition-verify-identity/

ICE and CBP’s Face-Recognition App Can’t Actually Verify Who People Are

ICE has used Mobile Fortify to identify immigrants and citizens alike over 100,000 times, by one estimate. It wasn't built to work like that—and only got approved after DHS abandoned its own privacy rules.

WIRED

Ray—Golden Retriever Whisperer—🔝Insights Feb 5

@evacide *this is my shocked face dot gif*

@evacide The worst thing is, if they just used face recognition for passport verification, to eliminate human-judgement from the loop and speed things up (a la european passport control for EU citizens), I'd at least be okay with it. And then, for every kinda-okay use of facial recognition, they come up with something that's completely bullshit, and the law can't cope.

contrasocial Feb 5

@notecharlie @evacide

Why would you be ok with it? Why is anyone ok with a surveillance state apparatus? We don't need constant surveillance, it's anti-human whether it works or is merely about intimidation. Like, they're showing you that they WILL abuse it if it's there. Same lesson we learned about AI; the capitalist class will use it to suppress the rights of labor and exploit the working class.

Can we just learn a lesson for once? Can we just say "No" instead of caving to convenience?

@contrasocial I believe it is *possible* to implement facial recognition for airport security and passport control in a way that is private. I have more faith in the EU having broadly done this (or at least having better data governance) than the US.

More importantly, for flights leaving the US, you can't opt out of facial recognition; for flights returning to the US, citizens can opt-out at the border but CBP will basically say you can't. So we should eliminate the human bias factor.

@contrasocial Electronic passport control, and facial recognition generally, are not going away. So I'd like to see laws governing its use; protecting user data, limiting correlation across datasets, etc. Because the genie is not going back in the bottle, so it had damn well better improve my life.

Iron and Ink Feb 5

@evacide sadly the people that need to hear this will never listen

Taran Rampersad Feb 5

@evacide was obvious to infer. Evidence works better for the slower. 🙃

Alex Hoffmann Feb 5

AIienated Feb 5

@evacide I think much of this is intentional and a type of DDoS attack: flood different zones to overwhelm them. Flood courts with illegal, bogus cases. Flood cities with violence. Withdraw federal aid and funding to overwhelm state and local resources. Flood feeds with scandal and spectacle. The list goes on…

Collectively I think we can defeat these attacks

punIssuer Feb 5

@ghoti @evacide Looks like the administration is rather DDoSing itself instead of courts:
https://newrepublic.com/post/206115/this-job-sucks-doj-attorney-judge-contempt-ice-court-orders

“This Job Sucks”: DOJ Attorney Asks Judge to Hold Her in Contempt

A lawyer working with the Minnesota attorney’s office said she just wants some sleep, after working so hard to try to get ICE to follow court orders.

The New Republic

Doug Wade Feb 5

@evacide if you’re trying to make quota, false positives are a feature, not a bug

Buca Chow Chow Feb 5

@evacide Call me crazy, but the most terrifying thing to me in this article is: "Asked what supported probable cause, the agent cited the woman speaking Spanish, her presence with others who appeared to be noncitizens, and a “possible match" via facial recognition."

Holy goodness that is not probable cause. The 4th amendment is no more.

cratermoon Feb 6

@evacide the article doesn't mention it, but it's well known to researchers that facial recognition is especially unreliable when the subject is not a fair-skinned Caucasian.

Ben From KC Feb 6

@evacide
I pretty much always assume you're right. That said, it often makes me sad.

Rhinos Worry Me Feb 6

I have obtained exclusive footage of the inner workings of ICE's advanced AI facial recognition system:

@evacide The best relevant info would be, if for the bad quality of the data, ICE started raiding their own; let the wyrm eat its own tail! 😔

Michael Ormsby Feb 6

@evacide Amongst the many curious parallels between the Third Reich and the Trump regime is similarity of behavior… incompetence, intentional lies, and violence.

These people aren’t the brightest candles. But they get away with stuff through sheer their sheer brazenness and the fact that others are afraid to stand up to them.