VissFeb 5
if ibm is where companies go to die, microsoft is where companies go to intentionally punish, hurt, torment and traumatize their users
Show threadVissFeb 5

so when my customers are doing incident response for the stuff I find, and that stuff is 'i have abused the shit out of some of your github actions, you should see what the log artifacts look like so we can write detections for it all' flavored - this is what we collectively grapple with.

microsoft, i remind you, is the company that CHARGES EXTRA FOR LOGS if you want to see if someone is trying password stuffing on your o365 instance

they make it intentionally painful, so they can sell a fix

Show threadViss
i cant help but think that this reality we've painted ourselves into is because we gave a bunch of charismatic techbro types the ability to make decisions, big ones, that affected the top-down architecture of big orgs and how they work, and it turns out they had no fucking idea how computers worked, they just learned enough buzzwords to be human mockingbirds, and made chainaw sounds with their mouths and we went butthead_huhuhuh_cool.wav
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Show threadVissFeb 5

this is, incidentally, the same angle i have against k8s and docker.

if you build a thing that is supposed to have the ability to do firewalling, natting, do acls, rules, follow policies and whatnot - and its intended use is "on a linux box", and you decide "to reinvent the entire fucking universe as npm, js, and custom shit instead of using the already inbuilt stuff in linux" you have made a serious architectural error and it will haunt you forever.

assuming your thing lives that long

Show threadVissFeb 5
this extends beyond just github yaml.
home assistant lives here too
Show threadRichard StephensFeb 5
@Viss most kubernetes has this pain everywhere too. One setup I worked on I counted 5 layers of template processing between the config in git and the config the application would read.
Show threadVissFeb 5

@richardstephens and 100% of the layers that exist inside of k8s do not need to exist at all, and function only as performative puffery nonsense so k8s people can gloat to other k8s people about how good they are with k8s.

and 80% of the compute goes to those layers and abstraction, and not 'whatever the actual container is doing'

Show threadKevin Karhan Feb 5

@richardstephens @Viss yeah.

Compared to that, running VirtualBox inside ESXi is high performance computing...

Show threadKevin Karhan Feb 5

@Viss #YAML is garbage.

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Show threadKevin Karhan Feb 5
@Viss yeah, #Memenetes and #Docker are worse than manually fiddling with #VM|s in #ESXi and #KVM!
Show threadVarxFeb 5
@Viss Its why tech executives think LLMs are AGI and conscious ... Because they think at the same level. Word salad slop.
Show threadVissFeb 5
@varx hey its vince with slaptchop, and yer gonna be in a great mood all day!