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House Democrats ensure funding of Trump’s global military rampage and domestic dictatorship

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House Democrats ensure funding of Trump’s global military rampage and domestic dictatorship - Divisions by zero

>These votes demonstrate that the Democratic Party functions not as an opposition but as an enabler of the Trump administration. Its priority is to ensure the uninterrupted funding of the US military while diverting popular opposition with calls for meaningless cosmetic changes to the administration’s efforts to establish a presidential dictatorship.

Feb 4 at 11:49pmWeb
Show threadFiniteBanjoFeb 4

I really don’t understand how this can be viewed as anything other than a win.

Necessary social programs, including taxing and auditing the rich, are getting funded through September while the entire DHS runs out in 2 weeks. That’s fantastic. That’s the best fucking news I’ve heard since before the second Trump term began.

Show threadminorkeysFeb 5
Because the priority right now isn’t social programs and funding for shit Trump will just cut when the GOP gains unopposed power and eliminates democracy FFS. Getting a cookie by finding the elimination of democracy isn’t a fucking win.
Show threadFiniteBanjoFeb 5
If Trump has that power he hasn’t demonstrated it, nor would any sort of congressional vote actually matter in that context.
Show threadminorkeysFeb 5
If he demonstrates it, it’s too late to stop…
Show threadFiniteBanjoFeb 5
Enlighten me, then why hasn’t he?
Show threadminorkeysFeb 5
Because he doesn’t have it yet, obviously.
Show threadDaMummyFeb 5
While Trump is building concentration camps throughout the country for people to spend their whole life in! It’s so thoughtful of him to not only have a jobs program to build them, but to also house people! Let’s hope he also puts signs above the warehouses with something like “Work will set you free”
Show threadFiniteBanjoFeb 5
That’s exactly what loses all funding in 2 weeks as a result of this bill.
Show threadwhereIsTamaraFeb 5
Lmfao DHS will not run out of money. Remember when a private donor gave $130m to the military to cover wages? Yeah, that will happen again.
Show threadgivesomefucksFeb 5

DHS got 75 billion to spend over the next decade in the BBB already…

The funding bill that just passed covers most of the government till September, but DHS just till end of next week, like 10 days.

They’re not gonna run out of money, but they have to burn that 75 billion down while all the good shit that wouldn’t have gotten any money gets funded.

Like, if you’re not happy with this, what would it have taken?

Show threadwhereIsTamaraFeb 5

lol yawn. Center-rights here to tell us there will be a midterm no worries just don’t revolt.

That’s you.

Show threadBenderRodriguezFeb 5
You didn’t answer his question.
Show threadwhereIsTamaraFeb 5
There is not a question mark
Show threadwhereIsTamaraFeb 5
Fair. I’m not happy with it. Are you happy with it? Really? Happy?
Show threadBenderRodriguezFeb 5
You’re not funny or witty.
Show threadwhereIsTamaraFeb 5
Good thing your opinion means nothing…. To anyone.
Show threadFiniteBanjoFeb 5
I like Bender’s opinion.
Show threadwhereIsTamaraFeb 5
I’m on board.
Show threadFiniteBanjoFeb 5
130M is fucking nothing. The “Big Beautiful Bill” that the GOP passed previously via reconciliation gave the DHS 85 Billion dollars. It’s going from $85,000,000,000 that they’ve already spent down to $0.
Show threadwhereIsTamaraFeb 5
I’m just pointing out that there is a private part willing to fund ice. You still seem to be of the opinion that this is going to end. Please wake up, for your own sake.
Show threadFiniteBanjoFeb 5
Look, if some mix of 7 DNC and IND decide to cross the aisle to fund the DHS and ICE, then you will have every right to be outraged about them crossing the aisle to fund the DHS and ICE. You’re not, in my opinion, justified to be mad about funding the IRS, SNAP, Medicaid, Housing Development, Education, Forestry Services, etc.
Show threadwhereIsTamaraFeb 5
You still think this is a 4 year thing don’t you?
Show threadFiniteBanjoFeb 5

Oh, I’m a hardcore democrat. Yeah. I say, figuratively, Fuck Trump but I would literally consensually fuck Obama.

People who oppose the DNC are, in practice, opposing taxing the rich, opposing socialized healthcare, opposing free education, etc. They oppose progress.

Show threadwhereIsTamaraFeb 5
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm. They are the same party.
Show threadFiniteBanjoFeb 5
To choose one of countless examples: 214 DNC and 4 GOP voted on the discharge petition to force the vote on releasing the Epstein Files.
Show threadwhereIsTamaraFeb 5

And… they don’t actually release but 1% of them. So, what did the DNC do again?

I dunno about you, but “redacted” is not “released” unless they are hiding something.

And “redacted” == failure.

Show threadFiniteBanjoFeb 5

“They” don’t do anything because “they” don’t have them. GOP Donald Trump and the Department of Justice went into Contempt of Court because he didn’t release them. He also cannot be removed or held accountable without 20 GOP senator votes in addition to the DNC + IND.

To me the solution seems pretty fucking clear. Remove 20 GOP.

Show threadwhereIsTamaraFeb 5
So we are on the same THEORETICAL page, and not at all suggesting this… you mean ki–remove them? 🤤
Show threadAmidFurorFeb 5

You have to ask yourself, "What would Leon Trotsky think of this?" Then you'll understand where the Worldwide Socialist Web Site is coming from.

You can peruse their Marxist library if you need more ideas.

Show threadgivesomefucksFeb 5

I really don’t understand how this can be viewed as anything other than a win

Wsws.org is one of those sites it’s really hard to take seriously, and their articles that do get boosted here are still the sanest takes from the website.

It’s basically rage bait, it’s hard to believe their writers can consistently misinterprete so much

Show threadBenderRodriguezFeb 5

Because people only read the headline and the same negative comments always get the most upvotes.

My theory is if 21 Republicans voted against it then there’s got to be some good things in there.

Show threadcoreray00Feb 5

I don’t understand your position. Can you help me understand your point of view?

I’m stuck in my point of view, and all I can think of is if 20 nazis figured they could build another concentration camp for children, if they didn’t vote for a bill, would that make the bill that continued funding the first one good on the whole? Even if it funded some libraries?

Show threadBenderRodriguezFeb 5
Ask yourself why the house freedom caucus is voting against it. It’s because they wanted more funding for ice and more damage to the working class and less oversight on the rich.
Show thread😈MedicPig🐷BabySaver😈Feb 5

Sadly, Dems will cave and pass funding for DHS with extremely little or even zero changes.

Even if by some miracle they get “promises” to make changes to DHS, ICE, etc. There will not be any follow through.

Show threadminorkeysFeb 5
Good cop and bad cop, but both cops. Build an opposing faction within the DNC that refuses to cooperate with establishment dems. Take the party over.
Show threadMaeveFeb 5
Cancel the dnc and rnc.
Show threadbearboiblakeFeb 5
This wouldn’t work, the establishment has too many systems in place that would prevent this. We need to think outside of the system.
Show threadminorkeysFeb 5
The entire election system prevents third parties. MAGA took over the gop so it can absolutely happen. They aren’t all genius political actors they are fallible, have vulnerabilities and can be put maneuvered by a large enough group of politically active base.
Show threadClassStruggleFeb 5
The difference is that MAGA isnt a threat to the status quo, if anything they are reinforcing the systems to protect it
Show threadminorkeysFeb 5
Yes it was. Status quo wasn’t fascism with Trump a dictator.
Show threadClassStruggleFeb 5
The status quo is fascism
Show threadminorkeysFeb 5
No it isn’t. Where are you getting that from?
Show threadin4apennyFeb 6
The last 150 years of British and American history in particular, really the whole history of European (Western/white) civilization since the Holy Roman Empire. “Fascism is colonialism turned inward” and all that.
Show threadminorkeysFeb 6
None of that was a status quo of fascism…
Show threadbearboiblakeFeb 5

The entire election system prevents third parties.

Yes, that’s why I said you need to think outside the system. You cannot reform the Democrats, and you cannot reform the US electoral system. Revolution is absolutely mandatory for people to live free.

Show threadEmpireInDecayFeb 5
Reform is a surefire failure
Show threadminorkeysFeb 5
Them explain MAGA taking over the GOP. If the status quo can’t change, how could it change for them? This defeatism is useless and projection of your own sense of powerlessness.
Show threadClassStruggleFeb 5
They are reinforcing the systems that protect the status quo
Show threadminorkeysFeb 5
What’s happening isn’t the status quo.
Show threadClassStruggleFeb 5
Yes it is, the only thing that’s changed is the mechanisms defending it.
Show threadminorkeysFeb 5
No it isn’t, that’s an absurd claim.
Show threadI_JediFeb 5
Unlike the Democrats, the GOP didn’t have a superdelegate system in 2016. If they had such a system, Jeb Bush would’ve won the primary.
Show threadminorkeysFeb 5
So its possible.
Show threadBarneyPiccoloFeb 5

Yep, it’s like having one manager at work who is really cool, and makes it easier to work, and another manager is a screaming tyrant who makes every moment at work horrific.

We’d all rather work for the nice boss, but make no mistake, they both have the same corporate objectives, just different ways of accomplishing it.

Both parties are just lackeys for the Sociopathic Oligarchs.

Show threadJo MiranFeb 5
Show threadpageflightFeb 5

Twenty-one Republicans—primarily from the fascistic House Freedom Caucus—voted against the bill. The Democrats responded by supplying the exact number of votes needed to offset Republican defections.

Were the Republicans just unwilling to accept the reduced ICE budget, or actually against it?

Show threadPattyMcBFeb 5
It doesn’t matter anymore
Show threaddrdalekFeb 5
Irrelevant when the Democrats give them the votes regardless. America, lost in 2 terms. They said it couldn’t be done
Show threadBrave Little Hitachi WandFeb 5
America has been coming into its final form ever since Jerry Falwell successfully melded religion and politics. That gave you Reagan, Trump, and everything that comes after.
Show threadFmstratFeb 6
See my other comment. Unfortunately click bait headlines abound and everyone needs to read the whole thing. Democrats signed it because it keeps the gov open until Sept while cutting ICE and CBP in 2 weeks.