@obrhoff there’s a careful balance here. It doesn’t exist anymore but I think we can and should also make that very uncomfortable in Apple spaces basically forever.

@mattiem Not sure if I understood what you said 😅

@mattiem @obrhoff There is not much you can do about it but buying at better alternative places. Which seems surprisingly hard.

@helge @obrhoff I think boycotting such an entrenched entity is, as you say, hard. It might may you feel better though, and that’s important and I support it.

@mattiem @obrhoff Thinking it is that entrenched is a mistake, IMO. They are good, but there are, not great, but perfectly acceptable options.

@mattiem @obrhoff I think this is more obvious in non-NA markets where Apple is a major player but not the majority.

@helge @obrhoff could be!

@mattiem @obrhoff Buy a $150 Samsung phone to toy with it. I did. I don’t *want* that and it doesn’t compete ignoring externalities, but it is surprisingly good and capable.

@helge @mattiem @obrhoff I'm not sure what the goal would be of buying a Samsung device? Nothing Samsung (or Google) has done makes me think they are more customer or quality-focussed than Apple. They want to be just like Apple, but they never understood what made Apple good in the first place, and now the good Apple doesn't even exist for them to copy anymore.

@nicklockwood @helge @obrhoff I do think taking market away from an American company, if nothing else, is good.

@mattiem @nicklockwood @helge @obrhoff it's a bit of a faustian bargain, but going with the Google phone rather than the Samsung would let you run GrapheneOS instead of googled android