@obrhoff there’s a careful balance here. It doesn’t exist anymore but I think we can and should also make that very uncomfortable in Apple spaces basically forever.

@mattiem Not sure if I understood what you said 😅

@mattiem @obrhoff There is not much you can do about it but buying at better alternative places. Which seems surprisingly hard.

@helge @obrhoff I think boycotting such an entrenched entity is, as you say, hard. It might may you feel better though, and that’s important and I support it.

@mattiem @obrhoff Thinking it is that entrenched is a mistake, IMO. They are good, but there are, not great, but perfectly acceptable options.

@mattiem @obrhoff I think this is more obvious in non-NA markets where Apple is a major player but not the majority.

@helge @obrhoff could be!

@mattiem @obrhoff Buy a $150 Samsung phone to toy with it. I did. I don’t *want* that and it doesn’t compete ignoring externalities, but it is surprisingly good and capable.

@helge @mattiem @obrhoff I see a lot of folks switching to Linux.

@fahrni @helge @obrhoff I hate to be a pessimist but I don’t expect this will be a significant factor. Would love to be wrong though!

@mattiem @fahrni @obrhoff It already is a significant factor. Most mobiles on the world run Linux. You probably have more desktop Linux in France than macOS and it’s probably kinda quit in Germany.
Back then, many of us Linux people, switched to macOS because it had better UI. It’s not on par yet with macOS but definitely with Windows, the actual majority on desktop.

@helge @fahrni @obrhoff well then I look forward to a material market effect!

@mattiem @fahrni @obrhoff I think it will have market effects too (I mean it already does everywhere but NA for mobile), but digital sovereignty is certainly a huge driver today as well. Sure, mostly to get rid of M$, since that is the most relevant thing on desktop, but Apple along the run. The latter is harder but also a minority / slightly less important.