Mastodawn

𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight"

Please don't think that you can stop a Nazi by pointing out hypocrisy or by pointing out that they are lying.

They know. It is a feature, not a bug.

When a fascist lies to you, they are displaying power. "I know I am lying. You know I am lying. What the fuck are you going to do about it."

When a fascist lies to other fascists, they are displaying loyalty. "I know I am lying. You know I am lying. We do this because it is how we show allegiance to the cause."

In this way, fascism is inherently an empty ideology. It stands for nothing. It believes in nothing. It can therefore lie about everything.

Except one thing: power.

Fascism MUST lie. It MUST deceive. It MUST play to baser beliefs like racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia and xenophobia, because it has literally nothing of value to offer.

They know this. We know this. That is why they lie.

@Lana I think this is an accurate take. Media pointing out hypocrisy at this stage are missing the point

Cassandrich Jan 26

@lawyersgunsnmoney @Lana They're not just missing the point. They're running fascist propaganda. They're showing their viewership "look how powerful these fascists are and how hopeless is it for you to oppose them".

Roger Moore Jan 26

@lawyersgunsnmoney @Lana
I disagree. Discourse with fascists is pointless because they don't live in the same factual universe as the rest of us, but pointing out their lies and hypocrisy still has value. If fascists want to destroy the concept of objective truth, continuing to insist on it is an important form of resistance. It provides a life line to people drowning in fascist lies.

𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight"Jan 26

Okay you're just a lying commie f***t re***d get on the train

Now stop me by pointing out the lies.

@lawyersgunsnmoney

𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight"Jan 26

Too late I just shot you in the back nine times.

@lawyersgunsnmoney

𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight"Jan 26

And now I'm celebrating your death with the rest of my fascist buddies

@lawyersgunsnmoney

𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight"Jan 26

Now the official white house account has blamed you for your own murder, calling you a "radical terrorist" who got what he deserved.

@lawyersgunsnmoney

Stephen Dioxide

@Lana Spot on. Fascism is the embodiment of a sense of superiority, but that superiority is a complete fiction.

The words of fascists are air pollution.

yunchtime Jan 26

always shove a Nazi into that precipice of cognitive dissonance! never let up.

cognitively accessible math Jan 26

@yunchtime @Lana Truth. It also helps others realize they need to assume they're always lying, too.
It's just a mistake to stop there. We can always offer the path of repentance, but we must also interfere with the evil.

yunchtime Jan 26

no let up until treason trials, imo.

Ard The Rich has moved Jan 26

@Lana very good summary!

It highlights why argumentative debate with fascists is pointless. They deliberately voilate the concept of arguments — as they convey the concept of power.

Now, the answer to whatever Nazis say, must _not_ be words; don't react by speaking to _them_.
The reaction must be in terms of anti-power: Show solidarity. Lift people up. Talk about whatever you like but not them. Exclude them. Penalize them.

They lose when the group of anti-nazis is bigger and gives a fuck.

nojhan, à gauche de Devadata Jan 26

@Lana To be honest, that's true even for non-nazis.

Matty Roses Jan 26

@Lana well said.

Part of what people really need to understand as well is the WHY of fascism, not just the how.

Fascism needs to lie because its role is the defense system of capitalism. As the contradictions lead it to more and more problems, fascism diverts the anger of the working class from the rich to scapegoats, like racism, sexism, etc. It is based on the big lie fundamentally..

소주한잔 Jan 26

@Lana i wish i could pin this post to everything on the internet

distincte&clare Jan 26

Perfect

distincte&clare Jan 26

Any relevant strategy against them must start in absolut cold blood from this insight.

Jerry Lundström

@Lana this is, disturbingly, true...

@Lana "It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth."

This is why Fascists depend on lies. It's about power and control, and the lies convince people to give those up.

Biggles 20X6!Jan 26

@Lana 💯💯💯

For people who need an analogy:

If politics were sport, fascists are blatant and unashamed cheaters and game fixers.

"you cheated" doesn't fucking work, because the answer is "no I didn't, and even if I did - so what? I won."

And they're busy rigging the next game so you can't win, even if you're a better team.
The answer to blatant cheating and game fixing is to ban them from the game.
They don't get to play.
Ever.
If they try to get onto the field, you forcibly remove them because they fuck the game for everyone.

Ms Bailey, Sound Production Arc Jan 26

@Lana
Playing against pooping pigeons on a chess board, and all that

The Animal and the Machine Jan 27

@Lana
Perfect 👌🏻

xenophyte Jan 27

@Lana … and the more obvious the lie, the stronger the test for toxic allegiance. This also explains the continuous attack on established science, against the scientific consensus on climate change and vaccines.

Androcat Jan 27

@Lana
Lies and corruption.
There's never been a fascist takeover that wasn't bankrolled by big business.
And there's never been a fascist leader that didn't fill his own pockets with both hands.

That's why they do it. The rank-and-file nazis are just sheep to be fleeced, distracted by hatred and "camaraderie".

Bjørn Stærk Jan 27

@Lana and this is also why we should not assume their voters have been tricked by propaganda. claiming to believe the lies is not necessarily about genuine belief but about picking sides.

Nu Modular Jan 27

@Lana And yet, more and more displaced aggression favors the root cause: keeping the wealthiest, deepest entrenched industry in human history, in power - fossil fuels.

Remove the root cause. Stop wasting so much value on the effects.

𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight"Jan 27

@numodular Nazis are not an "effect" of the fossil fuel industry are you okay??

Nu Modular Jan 27

@Lana Aggression displacement is an obvious tool for their masters, which is the wealthiest industry in human history - fossil fuels. You don't have to have a wildly high aptitude for politics, military, and behavioral science like I do, in order to follow the money/profit to get to the cause, and the top 1% behind it.

OF COURSE you have the right to waste diminishing resources on secondary/tertiary cause/effects metrics. Far too many do.

𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight"Jan 27

@numodular 😆😆😆😆 I'm sorry are you... are you actually trying to diagnose me?? Lmaooooo

Nu Modular Jan 27

@Lana May you reap what you sow.

snackin happy Jan 29

@Lana Personally I found that the more I indulged the fascistic impulse, really refined the ontological fundamentals, the more my want for power was displaced by insularity and the ever growing yearning for a ruthless essentialism that made mundane political yammering completely insufferable. Power dynamics in the sickly contemporary sense is a quintessentially bourgeois concept and misses the point entirely. What the fascist wants is action. The elegant totality of a single, perfect shape. A mind honed against entropy and doubt. War for its own sake. Vitality over wealth. The extremes of sensory perception, a rejection of comfort. A life like a howling storm and a death faced unflinchingly. A fundamentally other kind of humanity. Liberation from the exact kind of compulsive self-soothing nonsense you're engaged in here. I don't expect you to actually understand any of it, I just replied because I felt like it. Alla prossima.

𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight"Jan 29

Translation:

"The more fascist I became, the less power I wanted and the more lonely I became. I found myself drawn toward bigoted identity politics rather than viewing people as individuals, and listening to you talk makes me sad. I will now wax poetic about the glories of fascism while at the same time dismissing you as an elitist and a subhuman. You are too stupid to understand this. I have misused several large words in order to make me sound smarter than I am. Debate me. See you next time, but in Latin."

Response: no. Fatue te ipsum.

Stefan Scholl Jan 29

@Lana it's important to note that every ideology lies, even the good ones.

The amount of lies and the goal of them are the difference.

𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight"Jan 29

"Every ideology lies, even the good ones"
- @Stefan_S_from_H

If the above ideological statement is true, then it is a lie and therefore false.

If the above ideological statement is false, then it is a lie and therefore true.

I really don't know how you could have fucked this up for yourself worse than this. I'm not even mad. I'm kind of impressed.

The Sleight Doctor 🃏🍉Jan 29

@Lana @Stefan_S_from_H

Q.E.D. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Stefan Scholl Jan 29

@Lana well, that's one way to not have to be aware of the cognitive dissonance humans carry around all the time.

Have fun. Say hello when you arrive in the real world.

𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight"Jan 29

@Stefan_S_from_H

Lmao why are men so emotional

Jeremy le fou Jan 30

@Stefan_S_from_H @Lana Honestly, you don’t have to carry water for fascists or try to excuse away their anti-human evil. Unless you are one, in which case you should STFU and either change your wrong-headed ideas or find a way to not exist in society.

But if you are seriously trying to be a good person, but only know how to interact through intellectualizing an idea: please take a step back and consider real world consequences of actions and speech. Violence/suffering vs care/solidarity.

Stefan Scholl Jan 30

@leftyknowitall @Lana I don't think that Lana is a fascist.

Jeremy le fou Jan 30

@Stefan_S_from_H @Lana Ok. You’ve shown everyone that you are an asshole at best. I hope you find a way to heal yourself.

Stefan Scholl Jan 30

@leftyknowitall @Lana well, she left out “The amount of lies and the goal of them are the difference.” to paint a negative picture of me. That's directly out of a fascist toolbox.

Your rambling showed that you support her aggression.

Jeremy le fou Jan 30

@Stefan_S_from_H @Lana Good grief - this isn’t about you being technically right or wrong with your “well, actually-ing”. Go read some Hannah Arendt and get over yourself.

Jeremy le fou Jan 30

@Lana @Stefan_S_from_H Who knew that general abstractions of clusters of belief had agency. 🤷‍♂️

Stefan Scholl Jan 30

@leftyknowitall