A lot of people are correctly noting the galling hypocrisy of US conservatives who spent decades fetishizing gun rights and specifically the insurrectionary theory of the 2nd amendment suddenly justifying a man’s public, summary execution on the grounds that he was (legally, non-threateningly) armed when he encountered police.

And I get it. They are hypocrites. The hypocrisy is galling. I get it.

But I am begging you to move rapidly past this realization to a place where you never, ever take this people seriously for even the tiniest moment. Everything they say, every single thing, is said instrumentally to achieve their goal of power in that particular moment. There are no principles. They will not feel shame when caught in the discrepancy. Do not waste time on it, do not entertain it, do not debate it, do not lend it credence as an idea that warrants a serious and considered rebuttal.

Do not take them seriously ever again.

The right’s view of rights, laws, and rules, is that there exists some in-group (them) that should be protected by power and an out-group (you) that should be bound by power.

That’s it. That’s the motivating idea. Rules, laws, principles do not exist to be consistent, logical, or defensible. They exist to give them what they want at your expense. There is no compromise you can reach, no shame you can provoke them to feel, only your submission to their domination.

Do not take the words these people say seriously except when they are explaining how they intend to hurt you. That’s the only time they’re telling a consistent truth.

@HeavenlyPossum

They hate you, they love to lie, and they want to hurt you.

Once you accept this as the fundamental premise of the right wing, everything gets a lot easier.

@johnzajac @[email protected] Agree. Up ‘till recently US citizens have been living in a pleasant “it can’t happen here” kind of glow that was unwarranted. Signs were in plain sight for decades. Kennedy and MLK assassinations, Kent State shootings, Karl Rove, W Bush regime prosecution/persecution of Alabama Gov Siegelman, NC & Wisconsin gerrymandering, Trump’s attempted Jan 6 coup.

I waver between pessimism & optimism. A massive midterm turnout for Dems may help. Or it may simply be too late.

@johnzajac @HeavenlyPossum

And as we've seen, cruelty is the point. They don't have any better ideas, they just like to be cruel.

It's a fetish at this point.

@HeavenlyPossum These are people for whom violence exists for the sake of violence. You don't reason with them, they'll enjoy hurting you and laugh when you scream in pain.

@HeavenlyPossum

Hypocrisy is boring, sure. But the reason it's boring is that there's no actual commentary on anything substantive when you criticize it. It's morally indifferent.

Like, you can observe hypocrisy and snicker and pretend outrage without ever considering the subject of the hypocrisy itself. Like the ultimate deflection.

Dem process obsession is the same: rather than discuss the "State killing a citizen" part, only discuss the *extrajudicial* part.

@HeavenlyPossum What's worried me, watching events in Minneapolis from a distance, is that I feel like they've reached the limits of acceptable popular action under liberalism, and I don't know if there's an idea of a next step commonly enough held to act upon.

It's been hard to get word of what's actually happened at a superficial level -- the traditional censorship of USonian media has largely been restored -- and I can hope there's deeper discourse on the ground than I've heard about yet.

@foolishowl @HeavenlyPossum “Whatever you do, don’t block traffic without a permit!”

@HeavenlyPossum to expand on this, the right believes in a “strict father” model of morality.

That the way to be “good” and “moral”is to obey the authority of a man who is stronger (and thus wiser) than you. On a family level, it’s a father; on a company level, it’s a boss, going up to the CEO; on a country level, it’s a head of state; on a religion level, it’s God.

Everything is based on hierarchy (seen as natural), and on discipline to follow that hierarchy.

In a situation where there’s a conflict with law enforcement, this philosophy sees the actions of government agents as ALWAYS the correct ones.

Not obeying them is the ultimate sin. If a hierarchy of power is seen as good and natural, those with power are ALWAYS more deserving and correct, and if others don’t see that, it’s their moral failing and lack of discipline.

TLDR: conservative morality boils down to:
- if in power, then it’s morally good to rule and your rules are inherently correct.
- if lacking power, it’s morally good to obey and be disciplined enough to suppress any other desires.

Any view of laws conservatives have stems from that and yes, the specifics can change like the wind depends on who’s talking (because who is in power is more important than what they say).

@HeavenlyPossum it helps to know they are just radically self-interested.
@HeavenlyPossum look, yes, but: everybody has been acting like that for a long time. These people delight in throwing the most outrageous shit out BECAUSE it puts people who want civilized discourse into a defensive position. They never meant anything they said, but they are great at playing victims.

@kyonshi

Obviously “everybody” isn’t thinking this way or else I would not be encountering so many people who can only sputter in indignation over right wing hypocrisy.

@HeavenlyPossum Totally agree. Pay attention to their actions, not their words
@HeavenlyPossum what do conservative conserve? Their entitlement. Anything they say is just tactics du jour. This simple. model explains a lot.
@HeavenlyPossum just calling them stupid constantly may work
Calling them fascists sometimes makes them even proud
We called a fascist "assface" (a very childish way to insult someone) and kept graffiting that over the place.The dude was so insanely stupid he started a hardcore legal prosecution of it, making all the people from the far right actually look like the little whiny kids they are,and a lot of guys in the office started to ignore his petitons as he was pouring resources to being a kid

@HeavenlyPossum
Well knowm paradigm : apply extreme violence, terror in order to get obedience.

Much more serious than hypochrisy.

@HeavenlyPossum

Please include anyone you know or see who comments in support of the GOP... Family. Friends. Community people, especially church people. I'm just DONE with all of them.

@HeavenlyPossum

I hope this is used to shout them down every time they open their mouths for at least a decade

@HeavenlyPossum no one would see a contradiction if we remembered that "a well-regulated militia" referred to things like slave patrols
@HeavenlyPossum @FeloniousPunk Some of us have been saying (and doing) this for over fifty years.

@HeavenlyPossum 40% are supposed to like the current situation, so this will happen again and they will learn how to take elections.

So what should happen if Democrats win the next election (if there will be one)?

@HeavenlyPossum I am extremely stupid, being from a country where very few people have guns.
Can you tell me why an ICU nurse carries one? Isn’t this hypocritical also?

@BenCotterill

I wonder if it has anything to do with the state deploying a paramilitary to its cities to murder people as part of a program of ethnic cleansing.

@HeavenlyPossum Where does it stop? Surely as an anarchist you can find a better way than “more guns”?

@BenCotterill

He was murdered as part of a fascist pogrom and your focus is on his gun that he never drew or fired?

You can fuck right off

@BenCotterill @HeavenlyPossum Wondering why an ICE agent needs a gun. Since when does being suspected of overstaying your visa call for summary execution?
@BenCotterill
Trained Search and rescue dogs go absolutely everywhere with a set of teeth trivially able to rip your windpipe out of your neck... and yet. it never happens. strange that.
@HeavenlyPossum

@BenCotterill

If you don't realize that you're being a Nazi apologist here then yes, you are extremely fucking stupid.

@HeavenlyPossum

@BenCotterill what do you mean hypocritical? What do you think hypocrisy is?

@BenCotterill "this guy says he likes Pizza but I saw him eat Fish and Chips for lunch yesterday. He is a hypocrite."

Absolutely hilarious stuff Ben.

@BenCotterill @HeavenlyPossum You'd have to ask him why he carried a gun, but he's dead.

Is it hypocritical? No. If it were, there would be a whole class of this type of hypocrite--clergy, any health care worker off duty, bus drivers, and so on. It's legal, and that's pretty much the alpha and omega of it.

It was stupid, very stupid, to bring a gun to an anti-ICE action. That's a point I'm not willing to debate or argue.

@HeavenlyPossum I agree. Being affronted by right wing hypocrisy is a waste of time. And a validation of their tactics.

@HeavenlyPossum @dennyhenke Well put.

I read this and had some questions for myself about why it is that this kind of thing from people in power, like politicians and talking heads on news (or “news”) shows, still bothers me anyway. And I think(?) it’s that they know what they’re saying is bullshit.
And we know it’s bullshit.
And they know that we know.
And yet instead of fessing up or showing any sign of feeling the least built guilty or caught in the lie, *they keep doing it anyway*.

Shame and humiliation has normally had an effect on people, if only broadly speaking. But sometimes that even gets all the way up to people in power, like politicians. And sometimes it even has an effect.
It wasn’t crazy for politicians of old to either step down from their positions or be removed from them when even a whiff of scandal involving them made them realize what was the right thing to do.

But more and more that doesn’t happen. They’ll keep lying about it. And now it’s to the point where people are not just not embarrassed about getting caught having done something wrong or lied about it… they just double down on it and forge ahead.

Hell, sometimes they not only don’t get admonished or punished for it but actually rewarded for just sticking to the lie (see certain recently confirmed Supreme Court judges for example).

… and then it spreads. It not only becomes their lie and dodging of any shame about it, but it becomes the lie of their administration. It becomes the lie of an entire party. It becomes the lie that *tens of millions of people* either gullibly believe, or know it’s a lie but boldly repeat anyway to toe the party line. And if they’re lucky, they get tens of millions of dollars a year for going on their “news” network and say it with a straight face.

I think a big part of the problem for me is seeing people in power lie or flip-flop almost as a matter of course, with zero acknowledgment of what they’ve done (but they damn well know it) and no longer even avoid feeling bad about it but revel in the fact that they’re getting away with saying it and may even be rewarded for it.

(As a total side note, this seems to have trickled down to everyday society as well… when’s the last time people around you — your family and friends and coworkers — admitted they screwed up? More and more I’m hearing that this person caused the issue, or that person did something wrong that led to my doing something wrong. Admitting wrongdoing and feeling shame about it, which gives a chance to make up for it socially, seem to be things of a bygone era, and it should damn well be brought back.)

That’s my two — okay, two and a half — cents.