Don_DickleELI5 How is this legal? Doesn't the constitution give us the right to tell them piss off?
š“āā ļøššÆšš³š¦š±šš°š“āā ļøYou can tell them to piss off but they can beat and/or kill you and get away with it so words arent really gonna have much stopping power in this case.
We live in a society where might = right. If you have the firepower or other means to stop them from entering your private space then you have the right to do so.
You donāt really have the right to shoot anybody. (Depends on the state) But then youād be accused of shooting a federal officer. Do you realy want that?
The thing is, as a straight white middle-aged natural born citizen, thereās only one reason for the feds to ever kick in my door, and if that happens my life as a free man is over anyway. You fucking bet Iām taking as many of them with me as possible.
There is an Instagram trend (Iām told, I donāt browse) of people showing off the #nastiestangle
Spots in their homes or apartments they can get clean shots off at the door while remaining virtually invisible or well protected.
When they come for your guns they will absolutely have a response to this. They know many people would rather die. They will kill you no matter what, but now what if they punish your family? What if they seize all of your assets and those of your nearest family? What if they financially ruin your loved ones after you die? Are you going to protect your weapons at the risk of hurting those you love? Iāll bet most donāt. What if they threaten to arrest your parents and send them to a labor camp?
When ātheyā are no longer subject to being voted out of office there is no longer any reason not to use maximum force to compel compliance for anything. They are showing us what they will do to those they deem to have no constitutional rights. Next anyone who protests will be labeled a terrorist and arrested. Anyone who fails to comply will be a terrorist. Anyone who is registered Democrat will be classified as an enemy of the state.
You will be bent into submission because you have weaknesses that they do not. Rattle your cage all you want. Dictators ALWAYS disarm the population.
It was the survivors who rebuilt Germany.
CileTheSaneWell then, guess you should just keep your head down and submit. All this ā2nd amendmentā and ādonāt tread on meā talk was nothing but bluster. Maybe someone else will come invade the US to introduce democracy for you.
Youāre still not getting it. This is a US government coup. Theyāre not following laws or the Constitution because they arent the US government. Itās the fucking Confederacy again.
Correct, so people need to stop expecting the rule of law to protect them and need to start protecting themselves.
Yeahā¦ I get it
Yes i would absolutely prefer to die on my feet then live on my knees.
Most states, even ones with a duty to retreat, will still allow for using lethal force against home invaders, and even if not good luck finding a jury to convict someone on that kind of an incident.
The mere threat of returned violence seems to work in dissuading the ICE agents from trying anything. Hence them making themselves scarce a few days ago when they saw a gentleman open carrying a semi-automatic (though unloaded) rifle.
VIRAL MOMENT: Minneapolis RESIDENT ARM himself to DEFEND their neighborhood AGAINST ICE
Carrying it unloaded is stupid. They wonāt wait to see if you have ammo before lighting you up. Why leave yourself actually defenseless?
tateHeās not doing whatever he can to not get murdered. Heās doing whatever he can to expose ICEās hypocrisy and prove that they are the lawless murderers.
By not loading his weapon he has made it clear that there is no circumstance in which he would take anotherās life. Not even to defend his own.
Is he putting himself at grave risk? Yes. Absolutely.
Is there a way to accomplish the same thing without risk? No.
That man is a definitional hero.
Meh, a hero needs to be inarguably good at their intended goal. Anyone who doesnāt already agree with him is going to call him a dumbass, and rightfully so.
Do not appear to be a threat while not actually being a threat. Period. Itās almost as bad as being in danger while having zero defense.
You wouldnāt celebrate someone taking a walk in the woods with an empty bear mace can. This guy is doing the same thing: Going in to danger against wild animals with no actual defense.
Bears are not monsters, and there are much better ways of mitigating their threat. ICE and Donald cannot be mitigated.
This is a question of what happens during an attack. Not who is more likely to attack. For a bear, bear mace is an excellent choice. For ICE, of you already have a fucking gun, it being loaded is a first fucking step.
is a first fucking step to that gun being useful at all.
Except you are not talking about the use he had in mind for the gun. There can be more than one use for a thing. As an example, hereās a very useful car:
Point of order, you will be accused posthumously of shooting a federal officer. You will not survive the exchange.
teftThatās not always true. Cops are notoriously bad shots and these ice agents are no better.
Just remember that most walls in modern american homes are made of nothing much stronger than plywood. In any situation you should return fire from good cover to try and avoid becoming a body.
Do you want to risk it when youāre a father and want your kids to grow up with a dad? Or do you want to risk a stray bullet hitting a neighbor? Or do you want to just get arrested and probably released at some point with a really good case against the government that didnāt uphold the constitution?
I mean, you can weigh the pros and the cons yourself.
Depends on your alternatives I suppose. If your options are: āGo to a concentration camp without a name in some other countryā or āget prosecuted for shooting the guy who was going to send you there and maybe end up in regular prisonā or ādie tryingā, then maybe its not so clear.
orcaNobody wants that, but unless youāre a bootlicker, youāre not going to let thugs barge into your home. I know I wonāt, but Iām also going to do everything in my power to not let them in to begin with. Shooting intruders is the last resort. Theyāre no different than home invaders in my eyes.
I vaguely remember a story of a housecleaner getting shot for going to the wrong address and the shooter not even being charged because āI was scaredā is a valid reason for killing someone ringing your doorbell in some states (sorry donāt remember the source). That sounds like a right to shoot anybody.