USB should have been crimpable.

I want to crimp my own USB cables, dang it. I need them to be a specific length!

alternate universe where USB just used RJ11 connectors
@foone i do wonder why aren't we just using ethernet for everything
@gloriouscow I know, right? just use PoE for power delivery!
@foone never run out of ports again, just add a 48 port rackmount switch and connect more keyboards
@gloriouscow exactly!
@gloriouscow you know I've never tried to see what the practical maximum for keyboards connected to one machine is. I should test

@foone I know if you connect two mice to Windows they both control the cursor which is fun. I've never tried three.

Do the needful, foone.

@gloriouscow I'm going to ewaste later today and they've got an infinite gaylord of OEM keyboards, I could pick up some supplies...
@foone @gloriouscow an infinite WHAT
@confusionunknown @gloriouscow gaylords are the large cardboard boxess used in warehousing and recycling
@foone @gloriouscow that is an incredible name
did you originate that name or is this a thing that everyone calls them
@confusionunknown @foone @gloriouscow according to Wikipedia it’s a long standing thing

@lilstevie @confusionunknown @foone

they're very common for stuff like returns and recycling because they have an open top and you just chuck shit in there.

although i was unfamiliar with the term myself until I got a job at Staples and was instructed to go put something "in the gaylord". I must have had a particular look on my face at that moment because my manager just continued "...its the big cardboard box" in a somewhat exhausted way.

they're enormous and like an inch thick and basically indestructible.

people joke about living in cardboard boxes but you could totally live in a gaylord and if you had two you could probably rent them out as a 1 bedroom apartment in Manhattan for $2000 a month

@gloriouscow @foone There is somewhere in Windows an API that lets you treat two or more mice as separate inputs. Possibly DirectInput. I have seen games that support this for local multiplayer, but I can't remember what off the top of my head. (Doom Legacy maybe?)
@foone @gloriouscow I understand USB has a maximum of 127 devices, per controller. So depending on how many slots and on-board USB hosts you have... probably thousands.
@foone would probably go something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiwaxlttWow
How Many USBs Can You Plug In At Once?

YouTube

@foone @gloriouscow PoE is expensive & relatively inefficient because of the isolation requirement and relatively high voltage to cover the distance req. I can’t see a good way that you could meet both sets of needs with one bus spec. And god, imagine the hell of charging cord fires if people’s shitty knotted phone cords were running 56VDC.

No, what we should do is invent another New Standard of bus!

@s0 @foone @gloriouscow i have at times vaguely spitballed what it would take to modify a laptop into accepting PoE...

@astrid @foone @gloriouscow good news! you can buy PoE USB-C Ethernet adapters that do both network and PoE charging power in. I have one mostly to annoy my colleague the infrastructure admin by ‘stealing’ power from the switches at work.

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@gloriouscow @foone audio over ethernet (as in analog audio over the wires) has become somewhat popular in studios and i like it

@miunau @foone

well at least now i have an explanation if i ever tone out a drop and hear Shakira

@gloriouscow @foone it's pretty great! you can do 4 balanced connections, or even use it for DMX. the adapters cost like 20-30 bucks

@miunau @gloriouscow @foone

broadcasters have done this with twisted pair cables for decades (both within studios, and via the telephone network, there once used to be "music lines" that were carefully selected at the Telephone Exchange to have bandwidth to about 10-15 KHz and were used to send programme audio to radio transmitters)

@vfrmedia @gloriouscow @foone yeah, it's had a bit of a resurgence in the studio world in the past decade-ish. makes snakes a lot cheaper to do in general. i would hesitate to use it in stage settings due to the cables being much easier to mangle, but in fixed installation it works a treat

@miunau @gloriouscow @foone

specialist audio cable is increasingly expensive and can only be found from a limited amount of suppliers, whilst CAT5/6 is relatively widely available (and many buildings are already wired with it)

@foone alternate universe where usb has hermaphrodite connectors like those token ring things IBM had
@foone some APC UPSes actually used RJ… but with 10 pins because… Had to cut into one to add the extra pins 😄
@foone why didn't they?
Technical reasons, licensing reasons or did they just want to annoy billions of people who plugged it in the wrong way around the first two tries?
@foone or the weird DEC variant with the asymmetrical tab
@foone ive used telephone cord more than once to extend a usb cable
@foone also known as the universe where people are constantly cursing because the tab on their usb devices broke, yet again, so now their mouse or flash drive or such just keeps slipping out the port, or as a result, people just adopted firewire as the default standard for hot swap peripherals
@foone Honestly I would love to see open hardware embrace some kind of registered jack standard, it's so easy to make cables exactly as long as you need.
@foone no confusion about which way up, typically they make a satisfying click when seated properly although that can depend on the jack and the plug ends
@foone trrs usb died 4 our sins
@foone USB over 1/4" TRRS jacks would mean no more orientation issues.
@th still a pain to make cables, though
@th @foone I mean, isn't that what the ipod nano and shuffle eventually did

@th @foone Properly reproduce USB and go for a mix of 6.35 mm and 3.5 mm and 2.5 mm TRRS…

(Oh, and a few legacy discrete 4 mm banana connectors for niche applications)

@foone 22P22C connectors would be rather unweildly on a phone.