Why in the world is GNOME disabling middle click? That feels like such a tiny innocuous change with no real bearing on anything? Like, that just messes up users' workflows that use it for no reason at all, and since GNOME is the default desktop on a lot of distros, this will mess up non-technical users and they'll file bugs. I don't want to deal with this from a distro's perspective. I know you can re-enable the option... *from GNOME tweaks*, which they don't support anymore...

#GNOME #Linux

@justsoup Non-technical users that know about the middle click. And file bugs. Sure.

@kontrollierterWahnwitz Most non-technical users will just go back to an OS that "works" because they'll assume their mouse suddenly not working is either a hardware failure or a bug.

And, yes, non-technical users know about middle-click. This isn't some hidden feature that nobody uses. Now, there are no sources backing up whether they do or don't, that would be a good idea to collect feedback on and iterate based on that. Entirely slashing a feature at a whim is a very bad decision.

@justsoup To which other OS that uses the middle click for pasting do they go back?

@kontrollierterWahnwitz Older version of Ubuntu? Non-GNOME desktop? Maybe they'll give up on Linux and go to Windows where things break but at least they have a community that finds fixes for them?

My question is, why is the option not in settings if its meant to be toggled? There is already a mouse settings tab.

@justsoup @kontrollierterWahnwitz windows has middle click paste? news to me

@q66

I think he just got the news wrong in a way that GNOME was disabling the middle click at all.

So he is creating a straw man user that...

... is non-technical.
... but knows about the middle click paste.
... thinks the hardware is broken.
... and then files a software bug.
... is unable to update their distribution which will preserver the current behavior.
... distro hops without backing their $HOME up.

It's getting funny.

@justsoup

@kontrollierterWahnwitz I am sorry that I came across as trying to make a strawman. That was not my intention at all. I think the way I explained my position was a bit disjointed and made it look like I was trying to make a type of user that doesn't exist. I do not like you talking around me and still pinging me though.

@justsoup That was not fair communication from my side. Sure. Please excuse me.

Please be also aware that when you are following certain hashtags, you will currently literally get bombed with this particular news and quite strong opinions connected to this news.

You can always agree or disagree with things a team of developers do. But I personally think at the end of the day it was too much criticism about a too small change here - often from people who are not even affected by the change.

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@kontrollierterWahnwitz I did not know that the GNOME hashtag was being flooded, that's my bad. I agree with the last bit. Somebody can always critique a technical decision, but that doesn't mean they can personally attack the person / group making it. I feel like the open-source community has forgotten that as-of recently.

@justsoup I also wonder why people have so strong feelings when it comes to GNOME.

I use Linux since SuSE 9.1 and even back then GNOME was known for making strict decisions when it comes to the user interface.

So, what do people expect? If you are not fine with it, you can easily switch to one of numerous alternatives. That was a lot harder in the 2000s.

I'm happy that we can have a good conversation now.

@kontrollierterWahnwitz I think the main issue, for me personally, is that the changes are not communicated in the UI. Sometimes I'll go looking for an option or feature that used to exist and it will just not be there. Then I'll usually go online looking for what happened and find out the change *there*. Something as simple as a GUI telling me the major changes of a new release would do wonders. I am not a GNOME dev, so I know I cannot drive development, but I do at least want to know about it.

@justsoup @kontrollierterWahnwitz I love how "AI search" nonsense makes this even even worse since the content it is RAG-ing is outdated this way, force feeding the user outdated slop

While a reddit thread or an official announcement usually helps, sometimes even that isn't documented at all, so we rely on old blogposts as sources which don't have the change included.