A request from somebody in the USA: if you live in another country, please start pressuring your government to institute sanctions against the US.

Diplomatic sanctions, economic sanctions, whatever is possible.

I do not expect this to happen quickly. Start laying the political groundwork now so that it can happen at all, ever, while it still matters.

Treating the US like a rogue state would be a seismic shift in international relations — a shift that slow-moving world will resist. But the US •is• a rogue state at this point, and other nations need to start treating it as such. Like…yesterday.

I appreciate the boosts on the thread above, which I take as support.

The defeatist replies make me despair a bit. Just to address some greatest hits en masse:

1. “Kick them out yourselves” → JFC, what the hell do you think we are trying to do, constantly, day after day, the amount of action and engagement against the federal invasion where I live is like nothing I’ve seen in my lifetime. WE ARE ASKING FOR HELP. Please do not be an ass about it.

2. “The US has too much power, nobody can possibly stand up to them” → I don’t know, dude, maybe ask to copy Canada’s notes? I am not asking for magic here; I’m just asking people to try.

3. “But standing up to a fascist US is too expensive for us” → Believe me, whatever it costs us all now (inside •and• outside the US), it will cost even more later.

4. “But it’s too hard” → I am not asking the world to turn the US into North Korea overnight. I’m asking everyone to make subservience to the US a source of political discontent wherever they live, in whatever way local politics allow.
5. “But what are we supposed to do exactly?!” → Fight for digital sovereignty. Fight for a more independent financial system. Stop honoring US pharma patents. Form large coalitions to threaten economic sanctions. Limit travel, or increase the friction of it. Target the comfort of the billionaires who are bankrolling this. There is a long list of actions countries can take if •and only if• their populations create the political pressure for it.
6. “But US retaliation!!” → Oh honey, the US under MAGA control is coming for you regardless of what you do. If anything, it seems that being compliant •increases• the odds of this administration targeting you. Who was is who said that if a bully threatens to punch you, and you do what they say, and then punch you anyway, then you can stop doing what they say?

7. “Sorry, it will never happen” → Well yeah, if you don’t even try then it won’t.

People think they sound smart when they post these long splainy treatises in my mentions about nothing will get better. It seems like they think it makes them sound smart.

Sorry, honey. Cynicism does not make you worldly or wise. Cynicism makes you gullible.

I think some people saw the OP and imagined their country doing some kind of unilateral full-out political/economic suicide mission against the US. No no no. My request, I remind you, was to “Start laying the political groundwork now” for pushback against the US. Help make appeasement feel less and less safe for your political leadership with every passing day.

MAGA is a fragile, already-teetering coalition that — even more than usual in US politics! — is run by, paid for by, and kept alive by a very, very few ultra-wealthy people. Yes, racism and fascistic thinking are rampant, but the forces that organize them into a coherent movement are forces of concentrated wealth.

I don’t think we even have to completely unravel the entirety of US political-economic imperialism to unravel this authoritarian slide. We just have to make authoritarianism in the US look unprofitable.

There’s plenty of good work for all of us there, inside and outside the US.

@inthehands Apologies, because generally I wouldn't say this to someone I don't know that well?

I think you're not quite modeling some of what's being said to you. It isn't "we are defeatist and afraid to fight this necessary holy war", it's that people outside America are actual people with lives, priorities, and contexts. Our lives, the direction of our national politics, and the infrastructure of our societies do not revolve around What Americans Need or Do. We're actual societies who handle foreign policy independently and from our own informed decisions; we are not your colonies awaiting our instructions from inside the US because we can't read situations or make decisions ourselves somehow.

I know you're in a bad situation, and I sincerely hope you take this as it's meant, but it might clear things up to consider what you're encountering less as failing morale or defeatism, more the ways some people are enforcing *basic interpersonal boundaries*. And appropriate ones, really.

@inthehands Many years ago I read a Doonesbury cartoon with the punchline ..,

A cynic is someone who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

@donaldegray I think that’s an Oscar Wilde quote.
@gdinwiddie Could be. I read it in a cartoon.

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Lately I have been wondering if all of the countries that have passed Magnitsky legislation could apply those rules to Donald Trump and those with him.

For example:

GOP politicians may not care about Trump's crimes; but they might care about not being allowed to take vacations in France or Italy.

@michael_w_busch

assuming they'd take vacations outside the US. though that cruz guy in texas likes mexico so ... who knows?

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@maya_b @inthehands

Trump's family members seem to like vacationing in France.

And JD Vance and his family showed up in Italy a while back.

I understand that Mexico does not currently have a Magnitsky Act equivalent; but presumably there is some way the Mexican government could ban Ted Cruz from the country.

@michael_w_busch @maya_b @inthehands JD Vance & the Orange One like to holiday in UK - low chance of getting govt to sanction them unfortunately

@inthehands

I still believe that the US should be kicked off the UN Security Council for recent actions.

@jrconlin

In principle clear yes. A distant fantasy at this point, but this is exactly the direction in which we need to push.

@inthehands I blocked one of those unhelpful asses immediately.

Millions of people around the world see you, hear you, and are doing whatever we can to support Americans trying to take control back from the fascists. Remember, if nothing else, even if this platform and all others and media fade or are censored, and you can’t see that global support, do not ever fear that we have left your side. We will not.

@fsinn
Thank you!!
@inthehands @fsinn Keep on keeping on. Ignore the naysayers. We will try to do what we can.

@inthehands

If it will not be possible to neutralize the orange menace by the midterms, I'm afraid political resistance will not be enough...

@xs4me2 @inthehands

Political resistance was NEVER going to be enough. At the very least we need a general strike. But if we can shut down the economy for 2 weeks, the odds are that the elite will flee the country. Including El Trumpo.

@Quasit @inthehands

Well, they won’t… I’m afraid it will need force…

@inthehands
To put the fact that Americans *are* asking for help into more context: For decades at least, US culture has pushed the idea of rugged individualism to extremes, and shamed the very idea of asking for or even *needing* help as meaning you're weak, useless, and possibly don't deserve to live. It takes an extreme situation and a lot of swallowing of pride for the average American to admit to themselves that they need assistance, let alone actually *ask* for it.
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I think it's been a rogue state since well before 2016. It just hadn't dawned on a lot of Americans.

@xinit @inthehands dig further: Henry Kissinger's (and the rest of the establishment) view of the U.S.A. as the infallible moral authority, "the world's cop", has brought a lot of suffering on the world since the second half of the last century.

But there's a catch: unless we blow the next presidential election and become an entrenched dictatorship, we'd still have a claim on being a self-correcting democracy run by people.

@isagalaev @xinit @inthehands One problem: the US isn't a democracy, never was, and wasn't designed to be. Single example: the electoral college.

And yes, it has been a rogue state for a long time. For instance, see
https://mastodon.social/@agitprop_n_absurdity/115832443621112122
and
https://mastodon.green/@SusiArnott/115830200349723415

@Miro_Collas @xinit @inthehands I don't think it's correct to define democracy as an all-or-nothing thing. It's a continuum. There are democratic features — fair representation, term limits, separation of power — and U.S. checks some of those, while utterly failing on others (electoral college, the senate, lifetime supreme court). But it's still more democratic than, say, Russia. If we manage to not get rid of Trump, I'll consider us a failed democracy then.

@isagalaev Isn't democracy supposed to be when a gvt represents the people? Using again the single example, the electoral college had the power from the outset to reverse the will of the people. And still does in some states.

I'll grant you "partly democratic", more than some places, less than others.

But when people suggest the US is, or was, a democracy, no. And it was never meant to be one. That's a myth.

@xinit @inthehands

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@xinit True. It just sugar coats its actions in the name of freedom and human rights, but we don’t always have that even at home.

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It's amazing to me that European countries continue to host US troops under the mistaken assumption that they ensure rather than threaten their security.

@inthehands @DaveMWilburn in the UK, every so often an American from one of the bases drives on the wrong side of the road. They get to run away from any accountability for that too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn

Death of Harry Dunn - Wikipedia

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I think he and Putin talk about a pincher campaign in Europe.

@Paul Cantrell You can be sure, that the US are already treated as a rogue state. At least over here, EU, Germany.