Chu 朱
Tyler Simonds@chu oh wow
Jan Antoš@tylersi @chu me living in village close to #Tallinn (#Estonia), 25km from work in Tallinn , cca 1 Euro with local bus to closest municipality center and then bus to Tallinn for 2 Euro (that means both ways for 6 eur together). My hybrid SUV takes 5.7 litres on 100 km (so the same trip will cost me 4.25) using SUV for commuting is cheaper by 1.75 Eur. And I am not even talking it saves me almost 2 hours of time (yes car is usually quicker) each day I travel to office I can spend with my family. No one can blame me, I am not using Public Transport. PS: if someone would like to accuse me, that I am liar, because Tallinn has free public transport, be aware it is free for Tallinn residents only. So two takeaways, either it is insane how public transport can be expensive or how efficient SUV can be.
SimSan@simsan @tylersi @chu you understand that while living in countryside car is must have, nearest shop (very small basic food) is 5 km away in next village same apply for sons hobby lessons, etc. So this cost and depreciation BS is out of equation anyway. And as I said, spending 1 vs 3 hours commuting is in terms of time spent with family priceless. ;-)
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When you own the car, the marginal cost of operating it is cheaper than transit even in the big city, let alone the country. I do not blame you. I am pointing out the public policy failure.
Hence the toot. The fact that what both of what we said are true IS the failure.
We should not have to take personal hits to the pocket book to take public transport, the mode that the rich snub as a thing for poor losers too.
Its all propaganda for the oil industry.
We are living this lie and none of us can escape it alone. We need to acknowledge its failure and stop voting low IQ turds into office just because they are white and can hold a slogan
@chu my second toot was not pointed to you. I fully agree with you to the single letter. Mo so (first grade in school) is commuting to next village school by public transport bus. My original toot was, pointing that even being alone in car can is some circumstance be cheaper that public transport. I haven’t in most cases driving car, when I was living in town with decent public transport. But living in countryside is completely different variable. We are also using car to visit our family in Czech Republic driving from Estonia through whole Baltics and Poland. We could fly but this makes more sense for us (we have freedom and do not need to rent car there, and can pack whatever we want with us) and it is even greener that flying. @simsan
HyL☮️🚲🇨🇦@BrentToderian For cities wanting to reduce cars, here is a good example of the importance of regional rapid transit (from @tylersi). But do you know of examples that are working to replace the peri-urban/para-rural commute by car? Toronto has the Go Train, Vancouver the SkyTrain, but I'm not sure they're the most successful examples? https://f.cz/@janantos/115761968019626526
Jan Antoš (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] me living in village close to #Tallinn (#Estonia), 25km from work in Tallinn , cca 1 Euro with local bus to closest municipality center and then bus to Tallinn for 2 Euro (that means both ways for 6 eur together). My hybrid SUV takes 5.7 litres on 100 km (so the same trip will cost me 4.25) using SUV for commuting is cheaper by 1.75 Eur. And I am not even talking it saves me almost 2 hours of time (yes car is usually quicker) each day I travel to office I can spend with my family. No one can blame me, I am not using Public Transport. PS: if someone would like to accuse me, that I am liar, because Tallinn has free public transport, be aware it is free for Tallinn residents only. So two takeaways, either it is insane how public transport can be expensive or how efficient SUV can be.
@HyL @BrentToderian @tylersi @janantos
Go train is too expensive compared to parking.
I remember a friend who was involved with the CNE (Canadian National exhibition) and she invited me to some show. I was shocked to learn she drove from Oakville (It's like the 3rd exurb city from Toronto). She's quite the environmentalist and an engineer too so it's not like she doesn't understand the energy balance. But she brought her daughter and a friend as well and the Go tickets x6 (both ways for 3 people) cost more than the full day parking.
Parking rates need to be much, much more or public transit much less. I don't care which moves in price.
@chu @BrentToderian @tylersi @janantos
Yes, I feel like this is a missing part of the urbanism discussion: we know that congestion pricing works, NYC is the most recent example. BUT, if regional transit is not simultaneously rapid, well connected/timed, comfortable and cheaper than parking, you're kind of punishing people who don't live near the transit stops.
But who (city or region) has the economic & political incentive to make all of those ducks line up?