Mastodawn

nixCraft 🐧Dec 16

Mozilla has a new CEO and he just announced that Firefox will evolve into a modern AI browser. This is a good example of how management doesn’t understand its own user base and why they go out of their way to install Firefox on Windows, Android, iOS and other devices.

Full blog post https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/

Barry Rowlingson Dec 16

@nixCraft Really time to find another browser before my encryption keys get hoiked out by a web page with an <ignore-all-previous-instructions> tag.

@geospacedman @nixCraft Many people are waiting for a stable version of Ladybird!

Stuck Here Dec 16

@gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft

I've already removed Firefox from my Linux desktop and phone. I've switched to LibreWolf and Vivaldi for the time being.

I've heard of Ladybird but never investigated it.

squareScarletCougar 🐱Dec 16

@MyWoolyMastadon @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft samesis

Gilles Gagniard Dec 16

@MyWoolyMastadon @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft

LibreWolf is all fine and dandy, but it's just a couple of patches on top of upstream Firefox codebase. In no way can they do the heavy-lifting of maintaining a web browser (let alone evolve it) if Mozilla Foundation folds.

And Vivaldi is dependent all the same on Google with Blink: where is uBlock Origin now that Google has finally removed Manifest v2 code from Chromium? It's gone as well.

Chris Routh (He/Him)Dec 17

@gilles @MyWoolyMastadon @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft I seriously considering Seamonkey.

Stuck Here Dec 17

@Routhinator @gilles @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft

SeaMonkey was my secondary browser for the longest time via portable apps. When Mozilla was pulled apart into a separate browser, email client, and calendar.

Oh, those were the days.

Chris Routh (He/Him)Dec 17

@MyWoolyMastadon @gilles @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft it still lives on and has been both contributing to amd pulling in the same gecko engine that Firefox and Thunderbird use. Apparently still supports the same addons.

@MyWoolyMastadon @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft Suppose I'll have to check how many of the alternatives are suitably new enough to have the accessibility changes Jamy worked on, and care about screen readers at all unlike TOR, and maybe new enough to allow the local translation if they don't think that's too AI for their liking. Christ. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that the forks of it strip out screen reader accessibility on Windows on purpose.

Sjoerd Stendahl Dec 16

@gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft At this point I have more faith in Servo than Ladybird.

Politics aside, Servo is more modular as an engine, and thus more useful for alternative browsers. Also, Servo is build for performance, Ladybird will always be behind here.

Feels a bit like backing Ladybird over Servo makes the same mistake as backing Bluesky over Mastadon. That is, the notion that the problem is purely bad leadership, and not with the monilithic centralized structure itself.

zetabeta Dec 16

@sstendahl @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft
let me put the link:
https://servo.org/

it seems that in development.

Servo aims to empower developers with a lightweight, high-performance alternative for embedding web technologies in applications.

Servo is a web rendering engine written in Rust, with WebGL and WebGPU support, and adaptable to desktop, mobile, and embedded applications.

Servo

parzival Dec 16

@zetabeta @sstendahl @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft do yk if there is a plan for a full browser from them or is it just going to be a framework?

zetabeta Dec 16

@parzivalrp2 @sstendahl @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft
that is something i cannot answer at this time.

i just hope there will be a alternate browser and multiple platforms. also linux mobile.

mean time: maybe https://librewolf.net/ , or another privacy browser.

LibreWolf Browser

A custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom.

@parzivalrp2
There was a project (now archived), called Verso: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Verso-Web-Browser-Servo https://servo.org/blog/2024/09/11/building-browser/
@zetabeta @sstendahl @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft

Verso Taking Shape As A Servo-Powered Web Browser

With Mozilla having backed away from the Servo web engine years ago and recent open-source development on Servo focused on making it suitable for embed purposes into other applications/software, it's remained to be picked up by any standalone web browser project

@parzivalrp2
Also there is another project, Gemini (and it is not that shitty google's slop generator): https://geminiprotocol.net/
@zetabeta @sstendahl @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft

Project Gemini

Distante Dec 17

@sstendahl @gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft I am not sufficiently knowledgeable on this subject, but this is my understanding of the situation with browser engines

zetabeta Dec 16

@gideonstar @geospacedman @nixCraft
https://ladybird.org/

keep eye on this.

although, i don't know every detail about this project.

Ladybird

Ladybird is a truly independent web browser, backed by a non-profit.

Un Bourguignon Dec 17

@gideonstar
Is it a fork of Firefox ?
@geospacedman @nixCraft